Clean & Unclean Meats

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by greymare

mmmmm shark is yummy. I call it revenge fish. lol and I love squid and octopus. Calamari in garlic sauce. mmmmmmm. I apologise for insulting you lot. I still dont get it but Ill shut up now I think.love the grey

Any thoughts on my previous post then?

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

You mentioned -lifestyle- isn't that religion?

I don't wish to eat meat because I have choosen not to, that is my lifestyle. (That is ok with you yeah?)

I don't wish to eat meat because my faith say's it isn't right, so I have choosen not to, that is my religion..... (That's hiding?)

Are they both not acceptable answers? They are choices, not actions to "hide" In both answers the person chooses to respect life and not kill/eat it.. Just like they have -choosen- (There's that crazy word again) their own religion the one that is right for them...... What's the problem? Like, I have -choosen- to eat meat.... (have done so since I was a child...) But, I don't get my knickers in a twist over others choices... That is their choice, that's the beauty of free will.

[A_SIMPLE_MAN]

If all diabetics are or have been "pork eaters" then why aren't ALL PORK EATERS diabetics? Diabetes is a caused by a combination of genetics, diet and lack of exercise...period. Overweight and especially obese people are more prone to diabetes because their bodies cannot make enough insulin to support their weight (mostly fat) and eating habits.

[greymare]

to the 17th, once again I will apologise to you and all I have offended onthis little post. My fingers typed I guess, before my brain was in gear. Let me rephrase what I was trying to say. The only point I absolutely disagree with is that a meat whether it is pork, beef etc can be unclean(in the evil sense). I dont care what religious book says this. It is purely and simply an animal. That is all. Unless of course it has a disease that can be passed on to humans eg. mad cow disease etc,. So please forgive me for my earlier ramblings and I hope you didnt pop an artery or anything. lovethe grey.

Ps welcome, new member A simple man. from the grey

[wil]

Originally Posted by greymare

... The only point I absolutely disagree with is that a meat whether it is pork, beef etc can be unclean(in the evil sense). ... Unless of course it has a disease that can be passed on to humans eg. mad cow disease etc,.

Pork despite the pork council's ads which claim it
America's other white meat...does carry diseases which if not cooked and handled properly can harm man....as well as oysters, shrimp, crab, lobsters...which are bottom feeders. Between pigs being primitive garbage disposals and shell fish's basic duty of keeping our oceans clean...it doesn't make an incredible amount of sense to eat the filter...of course I tried to use the same argument against liver when my mother fed it to me...and had no luck there either...

[greymare]

as long as it is well cooked. I know its probably the worst reason in the world but Ive been eating pork etc all my llife. I havent any medical problems, almost the picture of health really, I'm not fond of offal though and I wont feed it to my kids just because I dont like it.
but all the oldies here swear that kidney and liver and heart and brains etc are delicious. Not this little black duck. Not because its evil, just because I'ma wuss and wont try it. haha

[Mathghamhain]

Genesis 4

1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.



In last months news -

In the USA, George Rene Francis of Sacramento, California, turned 110 on 4 June 2007 – despite his supposedly 'unhealthy diet'. UPI and the Sacramento Bee said that 'many partygoers were simply aghast at the 110-year-old's ability to survive a history of unhealthy eating habits. "If you look at his eating history, he's lived a long time for all the wrong reasons," his son, Tony Francis is quoted as saying. "He drank tons of milk, ate tons of eggs, lard on bread and pork-salt sandwiches."




Good thing the Okinawans are Buddhist – from the Weston Price Foundation

Before we throw up our hands and decide that no conclusions can be made about diet and health in China, let us turn our attention to the mixed peoples of Okinawa, situated equidistant from Hong Kong and Tokyo. The average lifespan for women in Okinawa is 84 (compared to 79 in American), and the island boasts a disproportionately large number of centenarians. Okinawans have low levels of chronic illness—osteoporosis, cancer, diabetes, atherosclerosis and stroke—compared to America, China and Japan, which allows them to continue to work, even in advanced years. In spite of Okinawa's horrific role in World War II, as the site of one of the bloodiest battles of the Pacific, Okinawa is a breezy, pleasant place, neither crowded nor polluted, with a strong sense of family and community and where the local people produce much of what they consume.
And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is pork, and not the lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according to gerontologist Kazuhiko Taira, "is very healthy—and very, very greasy," in a 1996 article that appeared in Health Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eaten—everything from "tails to nails." Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup and shredded ears. Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce, ginger, kelp and small amounts of sugar, then sliced and chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans eat about 100 grams of meat per day—compared to 70 in Japan and just over 20 in China—and at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of about 200 grams per day, compared to 280 grams per person per day of meat and fish in America. Lard—not vegetable oil—is used in cooking.

[Mathghamhain]

The oldest man in the USA -
In the USA, George Rene Francis of Sacramento, California, turned 110 on 4 June 2007 – despite his supposedly 'unhealthy diet'. UPI and the Sacramento Bee said that 'many partygoers were simply aghast at the 110-year-old's ability to survive a history of unhealthy eating habits. "If you look at his eating history, he's lived a long time for all the wrong reasons," his son, Tony Francis is quoted as saying. "He drank tons of milk, ate tons of eggs, lard on bread and pork-salt sandwiches."

Adding to the mystery, the Bee said, is Francis' unwillingness to visit a doctor for much of his life and his love of cigars, that he only gave up when he turned 75. "Smoking don't hurt nobody," he said.





From the Weston Price Foudation
Food in China - Variety and Monotony
Before we throw up our hands and decide that no conclusions can be made about diet and health in China, let us turn our attention to the mixed peoples of Okinawa, situated equidistant from Hong Kong and Tokyo. The average lifespan for women in Okinawa is 84 (compared to 79 in American), and the island boasts a disproportionately large number of centenarians. Okinawans have low levels of chronic illness—osteoporosis, cancer, diabetes, atherosclerosis and stroke—compared to America, China and Japan, which allows them to continue to work, even in advanced years. In spite of Okinawa's horrific role in World War II, as the site of one of the bloodiest battles of the Pacific, Okinawa is a breezy, pleasant place, neither crowded nor polluted, with a strong sense of family and community and where the local people produce much of what they consume.
And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is pork, and not the lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according to gerontologist Kazuhiko Taira, "is very healthy—and very, very greasy," in a 1996 article that appeared in Health Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eaten—everything from "tails to nails." Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup and shredded ears. Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce, ginger, kelp and small amounts of sugar, then sliced and chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans eat about 100 grams of meat per day—compared to 70 in Japan and just over 20 in China—and at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of about 200 grams per day, compared to 280 grams per person per day of meat and fish in America. Lard—not vegetable oil—is used in cooking.



Most people that eat high fat foods do have less heart disease. The brain is 50% fat so we had to have a high fat diet for our brains to develop to what they are now – now what made us is bad for us???
A High Fat, Low Carbohydrate Diet Improves Alzheimer's Disease In Mice

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051017072307.htm