Christians! Do you believe Mohammed's prophethood?

[Faithfulservant]

We have had many muslims come to the christian forum and they all ask the same things.. why do we believe in the trinity..why do we not accept Mohammads prophethood...etc.. We always answer the questions even though if you look at old posts you would find fairly long threads answering the same questions... and rather than accepting that is what we believe they ultimately try to show us why we should not believe it... That is why you were asked to tread carefully. We also do not go onto Islams board and tell the muslims why they should not believe the way they do.. If we have questions we ask them.. when they are answered we accept the answers and do not try to convert them to our way of thinking.

You said that you wanted Christians to admit that The Godhead was God functioning in 3 roles.. in essence thats what they do but they are 3 different persons.. Elohim is plural.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

My point exactly.

Christianity has its own "holy tradition" of how "the spirit of God" settled upon the the choice of the New Testament works. And Islam has its own.

I am merely indicating that criticising of the one form can also appear as the pot calling the kettle black.

Perhaps in another thread, though, if you wished to explore it?

Actually, I think this is a major reason for the misunderstandings between religions. For some reason, the criticisms we can direct at others can't be applied to oursleves. Being kind of blunt here, but I think a discussion of this would be interesting, say in the Comparative forum.

lunamoth

[Bi Dhikri Allah]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

We have had many muslims come to the christian forum and they all ask the same things.. why do we believe in the trinity..why do we not accept Mohammads prophethood...etc.. We always answer the questions even though if you look at old posts you would find fairly long threads answering the same questions... and rather than accepting that is what we believe they ultimately try to show us why we should not believe it... That is why you were asked to tread carefully. We also do not go onto Islams board and tell the muslims why they should not believe the way they do.. If we have questions we ask them.. when they are answered we accept the answers and do not try to convert them to our way of thinking.

You said that you wanted Christians to admit that The Godhead was God functioning in 3 roles.. in essence thats what they do but they are 3 different persons.. Elohim is plural.

I am sorry, I didnt intend to start any kind of debate between Islam and Christianity but once someone said something about Islam and compared it to Christianity, well i just could not sit idle could i? I was not trying to convert anyone on here, nor tell them what not to believe, I was just trying to understand your religion. If this has been brought up in past threads, I apologize, as I am new to this forum. I guess I will never understand the Trinity. We do not call Isa (AS) only a Prophet to belittle him, (we call him a Man, a Prophet, a Messiah, and the Word of Allah), but we do it to Glorify Allah, to proclaim His Majesty.

“So (it will be). Allah creates what He will. If He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: Be! and it is. (Qur’an 3: 45, 47).


“Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then he said unto him: Be! and he is” (3:59).
It's as simple as that for us.

Just to clarify-
Allah revealed the Qur'an TO Prophet Muhammad (SAW). The Prophet was an illiterate man and could not read nor write. The Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) through angel Gabriel and was recorded by the Prophet's Companions while the Prophet recited the verses.

[InLove]

Hello, and Peace to All Here—

Quote=Bi Dikri Allah
Thank you anyways. I was hoping that Christians believed in something like God is three functions in one-like a woman can be a mother, a wife and a woman at the same time but still have the same form and can still be seen as one form only. Only her functions would be different depending on circumstances.

Salaam, BiDikri Allah, and welcome. Personally, I don’t find anything I differ with in first part of that illustration. However, I do definitely believe that God can be seen in different ways. I am fond of one that is quite similar. When I was very new here, I posted this in a similar thread, and received different reactions. (I have edited it just a little for purposes of clarity and diplomacy) It goes like this:

Quote=InLove
I also hope that this is not an overly-simplistic idea to write here, but have you ever heard the nature of the Trinity explained in comparison to H2O? Below freezing, it is ice; at boiling point, it is steam. Between these points, it is water. But it is still always H20.


Many Christians who talk about the Trinity are talking about God as Father, God as Son, and God as Holy Spirit--working in different capacities according to what God sees is appropriate and needed by His children.

I think a lot of problem with trying to get God “out of the box” has to do with language. To me, it seems that we are arguing semantics. Christians see the Muslim box, Muslims see the Christian box, and many Christians will see my box in the above explanation. But each one of us believes that Allah/God is without limits.



Just trying to help.

InPeace,
InLove

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

Hello, and Peace to All Here—





Salaam, BiDikri Allah, and welcome. Personally, I don’t find anything I differ with in first part of that illustration. However, I do definitely believe that God can be seen in different ways. I am fond of one that is quite similar. When I was very new here, I posted this in a similar thread, and received different reactions. (I have edited it just a little for purposes of clarity and diplomacy) It goes like this:






I think a lot of problem with trying to get God “out of the box” has to do with language. To me, it seems that we are arguing semantics. Christians see the Muslim box, Muslims see the Christian box, and many Christians will see my box in the above explanation. But each one of us believes that Allah/God is without limits.



Just trying to help.

InPeace,
InLove

Then why is it that we keep trying to put GOD back into, the box? To keep things nice, tidy and orderly as we think it should be...? Pretty arrogant of a Human being...but then we aren't as a rule known for humbleness.



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[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bi Dhikri Allah

I am sorry, I didnt intend to start any kind of debate between Islam and Christianity but once someone said something about Islam and compared it to Christianity, well i just could not sit idle could i? I was not trying to convert anyone on here, nor tell them what not to believe, I was just trying to understand your religion. ...I guess I will never understand the Trinity. We do not call Isa (AS) only a Prophet to belittle him, (we call him a Man, a Prophet, a Messiah, and the Word of Allah), but we do it to Glorify Allah, to proclaim His Majesty.

“So (it will be). Allah creates what He will. If He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: Be! and it is. (Qur’an 3: 45, 47).


“Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then he said unto him: Be! and he is” (3:59).
It's as simple as that for us.

Just to clarify-
Allah revealed the Qur'an TO Prophet Muhammad (SAW). The Prophet was an illiterate man and could not read nor write. The Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) through angel Gabriel and was recorded by the Prophet's Companions while the Prophet recited the verses.

Bi Dhikri,

You are very welcome here. Yours is not offensive in inquery or post. Others are not so gentle...but then neither am I.

Like your faith, we accept that to see God/Allah in His purest form, is instant death (for none can look upon the true face of God and survive).

We believe that Allah/God so loves Man (all of us), that He had to do something to save His loved creation (specifically Mankind). So He decided to walk among us, as one like us, but without blemish (God can not sin).

God/Allah taught us from the beginning to attone for our sins regularly by sacrificing the first of the fruits of our labor, and always provided choice fruits for Man to choose or not to choose, to use as a sacrifice to God.

As man developed, the concept of God/Allah began to break down...the more educated and knowledgeable we became, the less and less we depended on ONE God. Our imaginations and personal desires gave want to produce "little gods" that we basically paid token tribute to. But we were going to overcome and go it alone, on our own way. If we couldn't build a tower of Babel, we were going to Babelize the surface of the earth.

And we were succeeding...(as God knew we would). But we were sending ourselves on a bent towards eventual extinction.

Shall I stop, or shall I continue my thoughts? Your call.

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[InLove]

Hi, and Peace to All Here--

Exactly, Q! (Hey, and what happened to the H2O? It's not in the box! )

InPeace,
InLove

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

Hi, and Peace to All Here--

Exactly, Q! (Hey, and what happened to the H2O? It's not in the box! )

InPeace,
InLove

Water seeks its own level...

[Faithfulservant]

Joh 17:5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Joh 17:22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

Joh 17:24Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. Jesus could claim some of The Fathers glory.. The Father shared his glory with The Son... the same glory He had before the world was created.. He can claim oneness with The Father.. pretty big claims.

[BlaznFattyz]

i do not personally believe mohammed is a prophet, actually i feel he is fake. What has he prophesized anyway? did it come true? why are there muslim temples on the land that God gave to his chosen people? what about the prophets that claimed that jesus would be born, then he did, and he lived died and rose again , which was all prophesized. why is this downplayed in the muslim religion. if mohammed wanted to be useful at all he should have told his arabic people how to live with love, peace and humbleness in their hearts and help the fellow neighbors instead of fighting constantly with them since the beginning of time. i think muslim religion is just a form of one-up-ness and jealousy stemming from the time of abraham when he send ismael and his mom out into the desert.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Blaznfattyz! Welcome to CR!

You are certainly welcome to your opinion. I would ask though that when commenting on other faiths, at least be respectful. The attitude you project in your post is not helpful for respectful dialogue. It actually promotes a reverse attitude directed back at Christianity, do you see?

Afterall, where you see fulfillment of prophecy in the Bible, others do not. While I do not expect Christians to accept Mohammed as a prophet, I do expect Christians to respect Muslims as people.

This is the Christianity board, so yes the Christian view should be the main view presented. I also feel the Muslim view offered was done in a respectful manner, inviting discussion. Name-calling ("fake") is hardly discussion, and will not be long tolerated on this board, regardless of who does it. So I would offer that if you wish to respectfully discuss the issues raised, then by all means please join in. If your doctrine and prejudices will not allow you to be respectful, then I would ask that you not participate. Thank you.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

i do not personally believe mohammed is a prophet, actually i feel he is fake. What has he prophesized anyway? did it come true? why are there muslim temples on the land that God gave to his chosen people? what about the prophets that claimed that jesus would be born, then he did, and he lived died and rose again , which was all prophesized. why is this downplayed in the muslim religion. if mohammed wanted to be useful at all he should have told his arabic people how to live with love, peace and humbleness in their hearts and help the fellow neighbors instead of fighting constantly with them since the beginning of time. i think muslim religion is just a form of one-up-ness and jealousy stemming from the time of abraham when he send ismael and his mom out into the desert.

Seems to me I'd be pretty upset if I were sent into the desert with my mom, especially if the order came from my dad...

I'd be upset even more, if I were the first born...

Just a thought.

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[Friend]

Originally Posted by Dor

The prophecy of Muhammad is recorded in the Qur'an so we need to test what the Qur'an says to see whether Muhammad is a true prophet.

In the Gospel Jesus very clearly taught that Christians are not to fight for their religion. His apostles also taught the same:

Mat 5:39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,and persecute you;
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


But in the Qur'an it says that the Gospel taught that fighting for God (religion) is acceptable.
They fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon God in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran (Sura 9:111, Arberry).

Jesus taught that his death on the cross was to pay for our sins and that it was part of God's work that he came to perform. However in the Qur'an Jesus' death on the cross is no death at all. Thus the Qur'an does not confirm the Bible at this most important point.
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Hi all

Ok , It is very nice to read those verses from the bible which call for love and peace , but I read other verses contradict this ......( note : I believe as all Muslims believe that Jesus is not Killer and he was a true prophet )

"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 19:26-28)"
is this part not from the bible ???

"He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 22:36)"

"So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 2:22-23)"

we read about Jesus commanding his followers to buy swords "He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 22:36)"

We also read about Jesus bringing corruption and destruction to earth rather than peace "Do not suppose that I [Jesus] have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:34)"

May be my source is wrong ... you can tell me or explain the truth to me .

I'm sure that this is not the real situation about Jesus (PUH) may be he call for defence but not fight .


Peace upon all

[Proph 1]

*Chrisitan Speaking*

No I dont NOT believe in the prophethood of Mohammad.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Friend

Hi all

Ok , It is very nice to read those verses from the bible which call for love and peace , but I read other verses contradict this ......( note : I believe as all Muslims believe that Jesus is not Killer and he was a true prophet )

...

May be my source is wrong ... you can tell me or explain the truth to me .

I'm sure that this is not the real situation about Jesus (PUH) may be he call for defence but not fight .


Peace upon all

What is being described is the end time. At this time man and the world is so corrupt and deadly, that had Jesus not cut the time short, there would be none left alive. When He comes however, the armies of the world, and their leaders will not welcome Jesus, but will turn to fight He and his army of angels. There is no love, mercy nor anything salvagable in these humans. Their hearts hardened and their hatred for God, plus their arrogance at their own might will be the last straw. Revelations also states that the war will last one day. After that, not one man will be left alive on the battle field. The Anti-Christ leader and the leaders of Satan's league are bound, defeated and cast away. That battle takes place in the area known as Armageddon.

After which there will be a thousand years of peace on earth, with Christ ruling from earth. After that, Satan is released for a little while, to gather who he can for the last battle. According to scripture, man will be fully aware of God and His purpose for man, and should any man decide to side with Satan, there is no redemption for that man.

Hope this helps.

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