Christians! Do you believe Mohammed's prophethood?

[I, Brian]

I think if Christians accepted Muhammed to be a prophet, they would be calling themselves Muslims instead.

[Postmaster]

There you go, nice, simple and straight to the point! Case closed

[Bandit]

sometimes i do & sometimes i don't. i think he said some things that are quite contradictory to what Jesus & the Prophets & Apostles taught & then again so do some of the Christian leaders today. so I am staying with Jesus, because Jesus is the one, who God exalted & put him on the throne & not Mohammed.

[JonMarc]

sometimes i do & sometimes i don't. i think he said some things that are quite contradictory to what Jesus & the Prophets & Apostles taught & then again so do some of the Christian leaders today. so I am staying with Jesus, because Jesus is the one, who God exalted & put him on the throne & not Mohammed.

however most christian leaders today do not claim to be prophets with a new truth. good point about jesus though bandit, i feel exactly the same way. as brian said, if we believed as muslims believed, we would in fact be muslims. although Islam recognizes Jesus as an historical figure, it does not recognize the same Jesus that the christian faith is built upon. If i look at a golden calf and see a god, while you see a pricey piece of art, one could argue we are not looking at the same thing.

[PersonaNonGrata]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

I think if Christians accepted Muhammed to be a prophet, they would be calling themselves Muslims instead.

ahem.. that makes all muslims christians, ı referred that: is it the timeline?

[PersonaNonGrata]

Originally Posted by JonMarc

however most christian leaders today do not claim to be prophets with a new truth. good point about jesus though bandit, i feel exactly the same way. as brian said, if we believed as muslims believed, we would in fact be muslims. although Islam recognizes Jesus as an historical figure, it does not recognize the same Jesus that the christian faith is built upon. If i look at a golden calf and see a god, while you see a pricey piece of art, one could argue we are not looking at the same thing.

any reference to jesus ın buddhism is greatly appreciated, i knıow the case is moving to a whole different approach however ... Budhism seems like Canada to me,

/let the snake lİve thousand years as long as it doesnt bite me

[PersonaNonGrata]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

First of all, I realize that Mohammed was a great and profound man. I will answer your question (which is quite significant in stature), if you can answer mine...

What one (any one) prophecy did Mohammed make pertaining to the fulfillment of God's/Allah's word, that no other prophet made before him, that has come true? Answer that, and I'll give you my answer.

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they can not come straight forward if one can not fulfill your desires? therefore i wont, and your thoughts stay on you...

however if interested may visit
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/pr...ons_index.html

Muhammed says he didnt write the Quaran by the way so when you say 'did Muhammed make' that sounds irreconcilable

[PersonaNonGrata]

Originally Posted by Dor

Muhammad claims to be a prophet of God. Christians cannot reject his claim as impossible because Christians believe that God has sent prophets. But this does not mean that Christians must blindly accept that Muhammad is a prophet, that would be foolish and disobedient. Instead we are commanded to test prophets to determine whether they are from God. The prophecy of Muhammad is recorded in the Qur'an so we need to test what the Qur'an says to see whether Muhammad is a true prophet.

The Qur'an makes three claims as to why Muhammad is a true prophet. These claims are "testable". These claims are:

1. The Qur'an confirms the teaching of the Jewish and Christian scriptures.
2. The Qur'an makes clearer the teaching of the Jewish and Christian scriptures.
3. Muhammad is foretold in the Jewish and Christian scriptures.

In the Gospel Jesus very clearly taught that Christians are not to fight for their religion. His apostles also taught the same:
Mat 5:39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,and persecute you;
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

But in the Qur'an it says that the Gospel taught that fighting for God (religion) is acceptable.
They fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon God in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran (Sura 9:111, Arberry).
What the Qur'an teaches about the Gospel is wrong. The Gospel clearly prohibits fighting for religion. The Qur'an does not confirm the Bible at this major point.

In the Bible Jesus clearly taught that he would die and be raised from the dead:
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Mat 20:26But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
Mat20:27And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Mat 20:28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

However, when the Qur'an teaches about the death of Jesus on the cross it says that he never really died!
"We (the Jews) slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God" - yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. ... and they slew him not of certainty - no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is All-mighty, All-wise.(Sura 4:156-157, Arberry)


Jesus taught that his death on the cross was to pay for our sins and that it was part of God's work that he came to perform. However in the Qur'an Jesus' death on the cross is no death at all. Thus the Qur'an does not confirm the Bible at this most important point.

The Qur'an shows no understanding of the meaning of the title "Son of God". In the Qur'an it means nothing more than to imply that God had sex, and as we have seen from the Bible this is not what the title means. In the Qur'an Jesus is given the title of Messiah and yet denied the title of the Son of God; the Bible clearly teaches that both of these titles go together.Again we see that what was clearly taught in the Bible is confused by the Qur'an and has led to confusion and disagreements between Muslims and Christians. The Qur'an claims to make clearer the teaching of the Bible but this claim is false. It does not make clearer the Bible's teaching, in fact it only confuses it.

If you check all the prophocies in the bible that supposedly point to Mohammed you can see it is a stretch at the very least.


I personally can only conclude that the claims of the Qur'an are false. It does not confirm the teaching of the Bible; it does not make clearer the teaching of the Bible; and Muhammad is not foretold in the Bible. So an easy answer to me is no he is not a prophet.

So in short, hence You are Christians, in order one to be a prophet It has to agree with everything written in Bible? Why would GOD let his own SON go into that terrible torture is the question to be answered. (Not die but torture as well) Since Quaran says He was not tortured but someone else that gsus puts his hand unto who then got the face of Jesus.

What was the main cause of Crusaders?
I say prick the needle on yourself before pricking the awl to someone else

[Dor]

Well the Bible does tell us to test prophets and see if they are from God. It even tells us how to.

Why did God let his Son be tortured the way he was?
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jesus took our place and bore all our transgressions and iniquities. So that all mankind could be saved through him.

What was the main cause of the Crusades?
First Crusade was launched by Pope Urban II to make Jerusaleum safe for Christian pilgrims from the muslims.
Second Crusade was launched in response to the Muslim capture of Edessa.
Third Crusade was launched because the Muslims took over Jerusaleum again in 1187.
etc... The main cause was Muslim incursions into previously Christian lands.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata

As You all know all Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, how about You, do you believe that Mohammed is/was a prophet?
and one question follows, if you dont is that because He lived after Jesus?

There might be some Christians who see him as a prophet. I dont know.
One time I heard an African American Christian say Mohammed was the last prophet to the dark skinned man.
But maybe the same way some Muslims cannot accept Jesus as Lord & Saviour for eternal life & remission of sins, some Christians cant see Mohammed as a prophet. I dont know all the reasons why.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, all!

I think a lot of the trouble in answering the question is in the way it is worded. It is set up to pit the two against each other. Like it or not, this is not an either/or dilemma. Jews, and by extension Christians, are the heirs of the promise to Abraham through Isaac. Likewise, Islam is the heir to the promise to Abraham through Ishmael. The Monotheistic faiths are all cousins. They might not agree with everything to the letter, but overall they have the same obligations to each other and to the world.

My two cents.

hey Juan! my dad said this same exact thing just recently. but he added, most people do not even realize they are cousins.
& they all came out of the same country.

[Bi Dhikri Allah]

Peace be upon you all!

I was wondering how could it NOT be possible for Jesus (AS) to be born without a father? Since God is capable of anything and everything and since He also created Adam (AS) without a father, why does Jesus (AS) have to have a father? As Muslims we believe Jesus to be a prophet and able to perform miracles and his name is actually mentioned more times in the Quran than the Prophet Muhammad is (in arabic). We respect Jesus as a Prophet.

Also, I have understood the Trinity from many various Christians and many of them tell it differently. Would you kindly explain a unified version of the Trinity? I know also that there are several different versions of the Bible out there. Can you please tell me who wrote these different versions? I have heard that they are divinely inspired by God. However, a question that begs to be arisen is: if they were divinely inspired, how come they are all not the same? I do not mean word for word exactly, but that how come they contradict each other?
Please do not take offense to these questions, as I am only seeking the truth as a scientist would- with rigorous testing to make sure the theory holds up

I have done some (very little, actually I just started) research on the Bible and its history is very rich. Please help me gain more knowledge. I would like to add that I have had many good experiences with my Christian neighbors and colleagues and HONESTLY they hardly fail to impress me with their generosity and readiness to help

There are many more points that we as Muslims agree with the Christians on than we disagree on .

[Quahom1]

Ah' allan ,

We believe Jesus to be the Son of God, and Co-Reign of the Kingdom of Heaven and Earth. Who sits at the Right hand of the Father (Allah).

rough stuff I know, but it is.

"Ma'a sallam", and peace...

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[Bi Dhikri Allah]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Ah' allan ,

We believe Jesus to be the Son of God, and Co-Reign of the Kingdom of Heaven and Earth. Who sits at the Right hand of the Father (Allah).

rough stuff I know, but it is.

"Ma'a sallam", and peace...

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Ahlam wa Sahlan
Thank you for your kind response. However, I have heard different versions such as Jesus IS GOD Himself, not the Co-reign... Could you please clarify it more? Also can someone answer my other questions?
Ma'assalamah

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bi Dhikri Allah

Ahlam wa Sahlan
Thank you for your kind response. However, I have heard different versions such as Jesus IS GOD Himself, not the Co-reign... Could you please clarify it more? Also can someone answer my other questions?
Ma'assalamah

Ah' allan, Bi Dhikri, (I will go no further, as a novice in arabic).

I invite you to read the Gospel of John (you might consider starting with John 3:16). I have no intention of defacing your beliefs. Tread carefully here as you discover our beliefs...as this is a place of learning and insight,...and CR has rules. You can always invite us over to your place...but probably not...
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