Chinese Medicine

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I try to make ethical choices and for me this means giving Chinese medicine a wide berth.

One could make the argument that one would have to give everything in this world a wide berth then, no?

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

One could make the argument that one would have to give everything in this world a wide berth then, no?

One could indeed, but it would be an impossible position to take, since no creature can live and not cause suffering and death to others by itself living. So as I said, it comes down to what an individual's own conscience finds acceptable. The only way I could not harm any other creature would be to end my own life deliberately but then that in itself would mean the harming of a creature and hence contrary to the ideal of a perfectly harmless life.

s.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

So if there was, say, a pandemic of the Black Death to sweep around the world, all the doctors would be made unemployed because they couldn't keep their patients healthy?

Yes doctors who lost patients would lose revenue....but that would happen in either system would it not?

I understand your concern for the tigers, and there is also antlers, and other things...there was a mention of Premarin....but when speaking holisticly where does your thesis end in this regard?

I take it you are a vegan? Not using salmon, mackeral and tuna to bolster omega3/6 fatty acids for heart and brain function? Tigers maybe currently endangered but our oceans are also being depleted by those looking for healthier cadaver supplements.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by wil

Yes doctors who lost patients would lose revenue....but that would happen in either system would it not?

well from the way it seems to being explained to me, the "Chinese system" seems to involve a rather simplistic relationship between health and money.

....but when speaking holisticly where does your thesis end in this regard?

not sure what you mean here wil...?

I take it you are a vegan? Not using salmon, mackeral and tuna to bolster omega3/6 fatty acids for heart and brain function? Tigers maybe currently endangered but our oceans are also being depleted by those looking for healthier cadaver supplements

Lacto-vegetarian if you insist! So I don't take supplements of the kind you mention. Why stop at oceans? Planet earth is being depleted, courtesy of man IMHO.

s.

[mee]

A Visit to a Chinese Pharmacy - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
The Chinese pharmacy and its doctor of traditional medicine continue to be an integral part of life in Asia..........................
interesting read

[wil]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

not sure what you mean here wil...?



Lacto-vegetarian if you insist! So I don't take supplements of the kind you mention. Why stop at oceans? Planet earth is being depleted, courtesy of man IMHO.

Well not depleted, matter is never destroyed...converted surely, our continued population growth will insure that....as does any population, until it reaches a density to which it can no longer survive, fairly natural actually.

What I was getting at is we all have our lines...you've drawn yours it appears as that you don't eat dead animal flesh, but are a member of the only species that drinks milk (cheese, dairy) cross species, and continues drinking it after its weaned and a product that is designed to increase the weight of its species to 300 pounds in six months. I'm not being judgemental here...I've been known to consume cheese and yogurt to my mucous creating detriment.

Now most lactos also consume chicken embryos and honey....again not judgemental just identifying the line, that somehow we feel it not right to eat the flesh of the chicken...but we've got sort of a prochoice attitude goin....and many of us also don't like mistreatment of animals but don't seem to have issues stealing the nutrients required for healthy growth of bees (honey) and replacing it with sugar water....the substance many veggies refer to as white death and wouldn't wish on our enemies....

We all have our justifications....even Jaines don't wait for the fruit to fall in their hands...

Bottom line though is we are all part of the animal kingdom....we live on this planet and we consume to live...some of us just live a little better and with less conscience...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

A Visit to a Chinese Pharmacy - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
The Chinese pharmacy and its doctor of traditional medicine continue to be an integral part of life in Asia..........................
interesting read

Mee, would be most interesting if you were to post your own thoughts in your own words too.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by wil

Well not depleted, matter is never destroyed...converted surely, our continued population growth will insure that....as does any population, until it reaches a density to which it can no longer survive, fairly natural actually.

Well I meant depleted as in, for example, rain forest. But yes it is all conversion, converting lovely planet earth into a toxic toilet it seems to me at present.

What I was getting at is we all have our lines...you've drawn yours it appears as that you don't eat dead animal flesh, but are a member of the only species that drinks milk (cheese, dairy) cross species, and continues drinking it after its weaned and a product that is designed to increase the weight of its species to 300 pounds in six months. I'm not being judgemental here...I've been known to consume cheese and yogurt to my mucous creating detriment.

Now most lactos also consume chicken embryos and honey....again not judgemental just identifying the line, that somehow we feel it not right to eat the flesh of the chicken...but we've got sort of a prochoice attitude goin....and many of us also don't like mistreatment of animals but don't seem to have issues stealing the nutrients required for healthy growth of bees (honey) and replacing it with sugar water....the substance many veggies refer to as white death and wouldn't wish on our enemies....

We all have our justifications....even Jaines don't wait for the fruit to fall in their hands...

Bottom line though is we are all part of the animal kingdom....we live on this planet and we consume to live...some of us just live a little better and with less conscience..

It’s OK wil, I realise you’re not being judgmental (but even if you were, that’s OK too!). For me, what I eat and what I don’t eat does require that I have thought about the “product” beyond whether or not I like the taste. The issues you raise highlight what I said earlier that, basically, to live is to kill (or as you say, we consume to live). You have pointed out good reasons not to eat some of the things that I do eat. But there are “good reasons” for me to reduce what I eat down to a range in which I am malnourished I believe, at which point I am harming myself. I understand it if people criticise me for my dietary choices saying that I am hypocritical, inconsistent or whatever (as happens), but I am not claiming to be “perfect” or trying to persuade others to change their eating habits. I would rather be the person I am, who occasionally has internal battles over whether or not I should eat a particular food stuff (together with the criticism from people with perfect diets!) than someone who eats anything and everything without thinking or caring where it came from (which used to be me).

One final point; after I go to see the film Fast Food Nation I’ll probably stop eating all together!

s.

[chakraman]

hello, yes it is a tricky subject to be consistent on. you could also argue that using any deodorants, hairsprays, perfumes, chemical cleaning products, toxic paints, varnishes etc etc is also harmful to your own creature and also the enviroment. obviously pesticide use is very destructive to the whole food chain; apparently 25% of the worlds pesticide use goes on cotton production so just wearing non organic clothing or eating non organic food is to inadvertently harm animals including ourselves. i believe all conventional medicine is tested on animals before human trials.

i do disagree with the chinese use of animals in the herbal side of chinese med., but i assume you don't include acupuncture in this snoop? i am a big advocate of acupuncture as a healing art and have used it personally many times with astounding success in some cases; i cured my chronic asthma with it, helped my ma have a painfree recovery after dislocating her knee, returned my son from post viral fatgue and also inadvertently removed his speach difficulties.

i think your right to carry on eating eggs etc. i believe as a species we may be evolving out of the need for meat and eventually we will be able to exist healthily as vegans and then who knows..breatharians? best not rush this process to the point of ill health.

this acupuncture device, in case anyones interested, is the most incredible device i have ever come accross and imo better than a needle treatment from a practitioner:
HealthPoint acupuncture point finder and electro acupuncture treatment
cheaper on ebay also available in the states.

also worthy of investigation as a source of comp. therp. treatment in your own home:
Kadance International – Eliminate Mind Chatter

these modes of healing, for me, beautifully illustrate the harmonious marriage of of eastern healing practises with western science.

i feel that the sympton suppression of western medicine is actually part of the cause of many illnesses and the prolonging of animal and human suffering. hope you're all well, jase...

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by chakraman

i assume you don't include acupuncture in this snoop?

Not at all jase; I was going to have it at my physio's one time but the need past.

s.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Mee, would be most interesting if you were to post your own thoughts in your own words too.

when there are so many links to interesting reads i dont need to, its as easy as the click of a button

[jack2]

i think chinese medicine has a great power to recover anyone. i don't know is it herbal or not. But, i read in a journal it really can cure very hard disease properly.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by jack2

i think chinese medicine has a great power to recover anyone. i don't know is it herbal or not. But, i read in a journal it really can cure very hard disease properly.

! Oh really? Oh how awesome!! wow... Cool...

.... I heard it encourages poaching and risk of ENDANGERED FREAKING ANIMALS!!!! Just to make some bull**** potion...

I got an awesome potion... you take many lil chinesemen... Grind them up put them in a bottle... Awesome cure... it cures endangereed animals from ending up as some whacko potion..... Solves their over population too

[Penguin]

Here here! You've gone a bit Picasso/Dali with your avatar now then 17th, interesting.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Here here! You've gone a bit Picasso/Dali with your avatar now then 17th, interesting.

I knew you'd have me back their mr Penguin.... OH I got to take a photo of a dual carriage way near me... Somone has put a cut out of a penguin on the side of the road lol, very random, very insane, very juicy.....

Interesting avartar eh? Yeah.... I went for divine, righteous with a pinch of darkness.....