Can Muslims be friends with Jews and Christians?

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Islamis4u

ah the crux of the bisquit for me!

Any religion, any group, any organization, any person that tells me, I should only listen to them and no other, I'm out the door!!

Contemplate this, there are poor, disabled, when I encounter them and make a decision to help it is not based on religion or what someone says I can or can't do.

When it comes to discussions with mathemeticians, scientists, philosophers, doctors, nurses, real estate agents, tax attorneys, if I were told that I had to only use ones that had the same color hair, eyes, skin, religion, nationality, I'd say shove it.

Lastly it is my opinion being as opinionated as I am that any group that trys to control an individuals freedom to learn what is outside the group has a good reason, they are hiding the truth and afraid their house of cards will crumble if they get an aware educated thinking individual in their midst.

True their is deception everywhere, sometimes very close at hand!

Peace my brother I am so glad you are here discussing these issues with us.

Thanks for the compliments, i was just trying to give a point with a living example that many do that but i would say we should not go away from our teachings what our books , or our Prophets(Peace be upon them all) taught us every person makes different interpretations.

[Dah-veeth]

I didn't read all seven pages, but I'll go back and read some of it...

Can Muslims be friends with Jews and Christians?

Emphatically YES!

Can Muslims be friends with Zoroastrians and Baha'is?

Emphatically YES!

The Holy Qur'an says, "Let there be no compulsion in religion."

Love one another!
Love Muslims and Jews!
Love Christians and Hindus!
Love Buddhists and Baha'is, etc., etc.!
Love!

It's a commandment, isn't it? Thou shalt love!

[bananabrain]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

What are you saying about my country take your words back okay i have never used disrespectful words for any okay!!!

actually, you have. your comments about "the west" are both disparaging and ignorant. you need to understand the meaning of "fair comment". i am entitled to have an opinion, just as you are entitled to one. if i think your opinion is incorrect, i will challenge it. that is called debate. merely exchanging respectful pleasantries may be what you have in mind, but it would be a) very boring and b) unproductive if anyone is to learn anything. if you can't handle people having a different opinion from yourself, or less than complimentary opinions on your religion, nationality and views than you're not going to enjoy this process at all unless you try and understand how you are coming across. i criticise my country when it deserves it and i criticise other countries likewise. pakistan is no more perfect than the UK, US, or anywhere else - including israel, which i notice you single out for particular criticism, what a surprise that is. this is no place for misguided jingoism or chauvinism.

i do not say you agree with me or not but for me my religion is the true religion for me okay once more im saying im not pointing out

of course everyone is entitled to hold this point of view.

but i will then think that other is not on right path and we in friendship have to save them save them from help again in my view.

ok, but just because "you are right" does not mean other people are necessarily wrong - unless, of course, your religion makes universal claims. plenty don't, including mine. and an offer of "help", of course, may be misguided or indeed completely unnecessary. i wouldn't come over to your house and offer you my help on your urdu language skills, because you don't need it. english, on the other hand....

it's rather more friendly to save someone from hell. It is different for every religion for every person his or her religion is most sacred one and true if you call him or her to him her religion you are in their view saving them its not dishonesty.

look, mate, this may be news to you, but outside of your particular little pond it is considered at best patronising and at worst insulting to consider that other people are "going to hell". the world is full of people that think everyone else is going to hell - why don't you nip over to the christian board and talk to our good friend "mee", who is a jehovah's witness. according to him (or it might be her, i don't know) *you're* going to hell, so is everyone else who isn't a JW. frankly, i will take my chances, because G!D Is the only True Judge and muhammad knew that better than you appear to do. i don't need "saving", not by you, not by christians, not by anyone - so i advise you get over that particular approach right now.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Dah-veeth]

God is our Loving Creator... I believe people from any religion can get to heaven by loving God.. or at least loving goodness, loving the light.

[greymare]

Originally Posted by Dah-veeth

God is our Loving Creator... I believe people from any religion can get to heaven by loving God.. or at least loving goodness, loving the light.

now, my friend, if that was everyones philosophy, the world would be a better place.

[Dah-veeth]

Originally Posted by greymare

now, my friend, if that was everyones philosophy, the world would be a better place.

Matthew 12:31,32, I posted this topic in the Baha'i forum... it basically says, in my understanding, that God will forgive people for denying a Manifestation of God... if they love God... what it says is it's not forgiveable to blaspheme against the Holy Ghost (i.e. hating the light) but it is forgiveable to blaspheme against the Son of Man (i.e. a Manifestation of God.) So love God! Whatever your religion or beliefs, love the Light!

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I find it very, very sad when people try to find reasons to hate instead of reasons to be friends and treat others with respect and kindness.

Assalam u alaikum wa rahmatulahi wa baakatuhu,

MW.... That truly sounds like the words of a ulama....

Originally Posted by Dah-veeth

God is our Loving Creator... I believe people from any religion can get to heaven by loving God.. or at least loving goodness, loving the light.

Loving others, is to love Allah, to love, to care, to respect your fellow man, your fellow creatures, your planet... All is to love Allah... Such deeds cannot lead anywhere BUT into his grace and to him you shall return.

ma salama....

[Dah-veeth]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Loving others, is to love Allah, to love, to care, to respect your fellow man, your fellow creatures, your planet... All is to love Allah... Such deeds cannot lead anywhere BUT into his grace and to him you shall return.

ma salama....

Love God and love mankind... love the Creator and His creatures

[bananabrain]

dah-veeth,

it's very easy to trot out platitudes about love, but i think we're here to have more substantial discussions after the tea and biscuits have been consumed.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

dah-veeth,

it's very easy to trot out platitudes about love

Not so easy to follow through...

[Dah-veeth]

Maybe we should all have some tea and biscuits... and love each other regardless of how deep our words... talking about love is like trying to put the ocean into a cup. Maybe the substance you're looking for is the sand... a pearl comes from only one grain of sand.

[bananabrain]

yes, but how shall we live? what shall we do? how shall we cope with the situations life throws our way? how is "love everyone" going to pay your mortgage, help you at a job interview, feed your family, lobby for political change? what you seem to be suggesting is aimed at the very top level of human existence. how do we *get* there?

as they say, "the devil's in the detail".

b'shalom

bananabrain

[17th Angel]

Why do you need a mortgage? Why do you need money? I wonder how mankind survived before the invention of the market and currency.... They couldn't have possibly lived.... Could they.... How did they pay for their mortgage?!? Oh wait, they simply used their own two hands and built their own homes.... (that's -REAL- work.)

I have to work! To live!.... Live? Living is stress and depression and a constant cycle of day in day out...... Our lives are no longer lives, they are simply routines.... We do not live, merely exist for a temporary time.... A hollow shell of our former speice.... But, we can start living... Currently I am trying to convince my lady to sell everything we own and to live off nature... This would be a big shock to my "high tech" system.... But, I'll get over it... All that bs pressure to -have- to buy this... Oh and get this latest model of car/bike/house/tv/game console/computer/washing machine/fridge/freezer/oven/shed/clothing...... I must make money money money!!! So someone can take most of it off me in taxes and the rest I can blow on crap I think I want, but I -don't- need.... Then next month, we can do it allllll again, awesome..... Can you not see it is all a distraction? And it works...... Money makes a man greedy, it makes a man suspicious and cautious, it, divides us, rich from poor, why? Why this division??? We are equal.... We are taught and raised to -believe- money is the centre of everything money dictates what we shall become... Money = success? Excuse me but that is bs..... The more money I claim the more I fail, the futher success falls from my grasp... And while I, you... Stay around this..... We can never take success by the horns, we are just tangled up more and more by this entrapment... The beauty, the love, the life.... It's all under our noses, yet we fail to claim it.

I am just baffled that we do this... We put aside love and life... For this? This moment right now.... I could be doing something amazing, yet I am not... I am here, doing what I do every single day of my "life" That bothers the freak out of me.... I -want- to do something about that...... Heh, I pray for courage to do so.............

Freedom = Success...



Ma Salama.

[Dah-veeth]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

yes, but how shall we live? what shall we do? how shall we cope with the situations life throws our way? how is "love everyone" going to pay your mortgage, help you at a job interview, feed your family, lobby for political change? what you seem to be suggesting is aimed at the very top level of human existence. how do we *get* there?

as they say, "the devil's in the detail".

b'shalom

bananabrain

I think the love of God comes first--the first priority is to love God. How shall we live? In love with God. What shall we do? Work... get a job... something that is in some way of service to someone. How shall we cope? Loving God will help us the most, I believe, in the situations we face. A leopard ate me last night in a dream and I just stood there as it lunged towards me. I was very quickly at peace and found my Paradise. How do we get there? To the love of God? To Paradise? It helps to search scriptures... dig deep, search different religions, see what the Prophets have taught... read the Torah, the Talmud, the Gospels, the Qur'an, the Book of Certitude, Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah. You will find much on the journey

[bananabrain]

17th:

simply put, if i want to be a meaningful member of my spiritual community i have to live within walking distance of it. that means paying rent or buying a house. in london, you're better off owning. so, i work as a means of funding my life.

All that bs pressure to -have- to buy this... Oh and get this latest model of car/bike/house/tv/game console/computer/washing machine/fridge/freezer/oven/shed/clothing...... I must make money money money!!! So someone can take most of it off me in taxes and the rest I can blow on crap I think I want, but I -don't- need....

that might be how you think about it, but i rarely buy stuff i don't need. i buy food, books and entertainment. i don't spend much on clothes, because i don't find them that interesting. i don't buy techie knick-knacks or branded goods, but only stuff i have a use for. i don't need the "latest model" of anything. unfortunately life costs, i am not trained to do plumbing and carpentry and would rather do what i am trained for, which makes more money, some of which i can use for jobs i don't know how to do. i need to provide for the needs of my wife and family - it is hard to know how this is to be achieved living in london without working or money.

The beauty, the love, the life.... It's all under our noses, yet we fail to claim it.

i'm dam' well claiming it every day by the way i live. i think this is more of a protest against consumer society than anything else and to that extent i agree with you - but one can choose to meet it on one's own terms. i certainly don't "put aside love and life"!

dah-veeth:

I think the love of God comes first--the first priority is to love God. How shall we live? In love with God.

but what does that mean in practice? how shall we express it? how shall we balance this with our other obligations?

Loving God will help us the most, I believe, in the situations we face. A leopard ate me last night in a dream and I just stood there as it lunged towards me. I was very quickly at peace and found my Paradise.

er... letting a leopard eat you is a way of loving G!D? i have to say this doesn't make one iota of sense to me.

It helps to search scriptures... dig deep, search different religions, see what the Prophets have taught... read the Torah, the Talmud, the Gospels, the Qur'an, the Book of Certitude, Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah. You will find much on the journey

with all due respect, dah-veeth, are you lecturing *me* on the need to study Torah and Talmud? you are now veering into the sort of bland patronising spiritubabble that is characteristic of the more annoying sort of baha'i. fine, we love G!D. good. what else?

b'shalom

bananabrain