Can Muslims be friends with Jews and Christians?

[islamis4u]

Aslam o Alyikom,

As far as ma reading n knowledge of Islam n after asking many ukemas i have come to know that we cannot be friends with non-muslim its in Surah Mumtihnah, unless you want to remove their misconception about Islam n Allah thens its okay you can have it. For that we should make friends with no-muslims

[bananabrain]

and who are these ulema? where are they based?

b'shalom

bananabrain

[greymare]

well, I am neither muslim christian or anything but I have offered my hand to you all. Its up to you to take it. I seek nothing in return. pay it forward. thats all.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Aslam o Alyikom,

As far as ma reading n knowledge of Islam n after asking many ukemas i have come to know that we cannot be friends with non-muslim

As-sallamu aleykum,

"Those who are merciful have mercy shown them by the compassionate one, if you show mercy to those who are in the earth, he who is in heaven will show mercy to you."

"Kindness is a mark of faith: an whoever hath not kindness hath not faith."

"Whoever is kind to his creatures, God is kind to him; therefore be kind to man on earth, wether good or bad; and being kind to the bad, is to withold him from badness, thus in heaven you will be treated kindly."

"What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of a human being, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful and to remove the wrongs of the injured."

Reconignse any of these sayings? This is Muhammad (saws) speaking.... Friendship is KEY because it is of LOVE and Islam is peace and Islam is LOVE........ Someone asked Muhammad(saws)What is Islam? And he replied "purity of speech and CHARITY."

If you cannot love others, you cannot even begin to love the creator.... How can you hold grudges and hatred of all other amazing creations of Allah? Subhan Allah! You cannot.... So I would say it is a MUST to be friends with non-Muslims... To be a true Muslim....


That then is God your Lord;
there is no god but He,
the Creator of everything.
So serve Him,
for He is Guardian over everything.
The eyes attain Him not, but He attains the eyes;
He is the All-subtle, the All-aware. (6:102-103)

Think about it.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

i have come to know that we cannot be friends with non-muslim

If you're right and people can't be friends with people then we are truly ******.

I see it on the news every day. Do you?

s.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

If you're right and people can't be friends with people then we are truly ******.

I see it on the news every day. Do you?

s.

That isn't the true Islam message..... Obviously.

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by greymare

well, I am neither muslim christian or anything but I have offered my hand to you all. Its up to you to take it. I seek nothing in return. pay it forward. thats all.

Wow a free third hand. That will allow me to do more each day. Plus it's an extra backup in case I lose one in an accident. Is it the left or the right? Hopefully it's the right. That's the one I write with and if I lost that in an accident my life would be over.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

That isn't the true Islam message..... Obviously.

Better tell them ukemas that islamis4u has been asking then.

s.

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

As-sallamu aleykum,

"Those who are merciful have mercy shown them by the compassionate one, if you show mercy to those who are in the earth, he who is in heaven will show mercy to you."

"Kindness is a mark of faith: an whoever hath not kindness hath not faith."

"Whoever is kind to his creatures, God is kind to him; therefore be kind to man on earth, wether good or bad; and being kind to the bad, is to withold him from badness, thus in heaven you will be treated kindly."

"What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of a human being, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful and to remove the wrongs of the injured."

Reconignse any of these sayings? This is Muhammad (saws) speaking.... Friendship is KEY because it is of LOVE and Islam is peace and Islam is LOVE........ Someone asked Muhammad(saws)What is Islam? And he replied "purity of speech and CHARITY."

If you cannot love others, you cannot even begin to love the creator.... How can you hold grudges and hatred of all other amazing creations of Allah? Subhan Allah! You cannot.... So I would say it is a MUST to be friends with non-Muslims... To be a true Muslim....


That then is God your Lord;
there is no god but He,
the Creator of everything.
So serve Him,
for He is Guardian over everything.
The eyes attain Him not, but He attains the eyes;
He is the All-subtle, the All-aware. (6:102-103)

Think about it.

Aslam o Aliykom


I think you do not understood me i was saying what i asked okay.... Secondly that you are very much right i agree with but till a point you know what is the meaning of Friendship its not just like that we talk 7 or 8 times will say that we are friends no friendship is a relation of give n take. Thirdly i want to say is that if i said that you can not be friends non-muslims that does not in anyways mean that we mal treat or do not treat them in right or do anything else which hurt the feeling of other, we should be polite with them we should nice with them, but friendship is something else i may tell you friend is a one with whom you can share everything okay, being nice or polite with other talk for two or three times do not make us friend. Lastly what ever you are quoting i see their nothing like friendship.... okay now Tell me any non-muslim who was friend of Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H)? ,Yeah one thing i tell He (P.B.U.H) was very kind to all the non-muslims.

Point im pointing out is that kindness be nice with other and friendship differs alot.

Last thing if you have read my other of which you are quoting a part in that post at the end of it i wrote that if you want to remove any misconception, or for Davah purpose you make a friend then its alright you can make them, Its all about the Niah of yours........ Today their are different definitions of friendship, its different for everyone. I think i explained well what i have to say or i hope you agree me.


Jazak Allah Khair

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

you know what is the meaning of Friendship its not just like that we talk 7 or 8 times will say that we are friends no friendship is a relation of give n take.

As-sallamu aleykum,

"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile." - Muhammad (saws)

Even a smile is something not to be taken lightly..... But, then again to me true friendship isn't even speaking of give and take or 7, 8 times a day talk... True friendship isn't counting and keeping a record. It is just doing an act of good because it benefits us all, and personally... I see that as friendship. Example... There is a man I see quite often on my way home.... He is in a wheelchair and has to struggle up the hill, I have -no idea- who he is, yet I have helped him at least three, four times by pushing him up the hill.... These good acts surley would be considered as a sort of friendship? If for example you were a passer by and saw this, would the thought cross your mind that we were good friends? Or strangers?

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

As-sallamu aleykum,

"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile." - Muhammad (saws)

Even a smile is something not to be taken lightly..... But, then again to me true friendship isn't even speaking of give and take or 7, 8 times a day talk... True friendship isn't counting and keeping a record. It is just doing an act of good because it benefits us all, and personally... I see that as friendship. Example... There is a man I see quite often on my way home.... He is in a wheelchair and has to struggle up the hill, I have -no idea- who he is, yet I have helped him at least three, four times by pushing him up the hill.... These good acts surley would be considered as a sort of friendship? If for example you were a passer by and saw this, would the thought cross your mind that we were good friends? Or strangers?

Walikom Salam Warhamatullahe,


Brother I told you that, look friendship have different meaning for everyone i may tell you okay.... and secondly i may not consider it friendship, friendship is done for long period friendship is much much more then that, the main thing or whatever you are talking about i may say is good deeds kindness its not friendship, okay one thing now i n you are online now and we make little talk between us then we start talking about the religion for much time and then after this two to three months, will you share with me what you share with your friends which are more closer to you i think never or what i say will work on ma advice or other friends advice?

Let me put it straight because the definition of friendship is much changed now and it will change more with time pass at that when Quran was revealed the definition of friendship was not what you are speaking about okay. The thing is that a non-muslim will never thing better for you untill and unless he or she have anything untill and unless he or she have something of his interest. He or she may lead away from your religion i do not speak about all but their are many.

You talk about smile again its not friendship which whom you compare okay that is something else. I would say again at last friendship definition is different from person to person.


Now i will quote you the quran which is most authentic for Muslims and no doubts in it. If you do not believe again i would have to say after Quran i can not put anything else. I would end again if you want a friendship with non-muslim it should be only for your religion and nothing else.

O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for friends . Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you , driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah , your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure , ( show them not friendship ) . Do ye show friendship unto them in secret , when I am best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you , be verily hath strayed from the right way . (CHP 60, Surah Al-Mumtahana : Verse 1)

Now i think Allah knows best.

[bob x]

I am curious why you name yourself "Islam is for you", when you make it plain that Islam is totally against us?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Aslam o Alyikom,

As far as ma reading n knowledge of Islam n after asking many ukemas i have come to know that we cannot be friends with non-muslim its in Surah Mumtihnah, unless you want to remove their misconception about Islam n Allah thens its okay you can have it. For that we should make friends with no-muslims

wa aleykum salaam

Do we need to look any further than the Quran for the answer to this question?

PICKTHAL: Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers. (60:8)

PICKTHAL: Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them - (All) such are wrong-doers. (60:9)

The arabic term used in the Quran is awaliya - we know that a Wali is someone that has a degree of control over you (protector) and is not a personal friendship. The only verse I can find that refers to a one on one personal friendship is:

PICKTHAL: O Ye who believe! Choose not for guardians such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers. (5:57)

Does this even say 'do not take unbelievers as friends'? I think it does not.

The other verses refer to communities of Muslims making alliances with non Muslim communities that are untrustworthy or would oppress the Muslim community.

You may also like to ask why a Muslim man is still permitted to marry a Jewess or Christian lady and must allow her to practice her faith. If there is no friendship in marriage then where is there friendship?

I find it very, very sad when people try to find reasons to hate instead of reasons to be friends and treat others with respect and kindness.

Salaam

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

wa aleykum salaam

Do we need to look any further than the Quran for the answer to this question?

PICKTHAL: Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers. (60:8)

PICKTHAL: Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them - (All) such are wrong-doers. (60:9)

The arabic term used in the Quran is awaliya - we know that a Wali is someone that has a degree of control over you (protector) and is not a personal friendship. The only verse I can find that refers to a one on one personal friendship is:

PICKTHAL: O Ye who believe! Choose not for guardians such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers. (5:57)

Does this even say 'do not take unbelievers as friends'? I think it does not.

The other verses refer to communities of Muslims making alliances with non Muslim communities that are untrustworthy or would oppress the Muslim community.

You may also like to ask why a Muslim man is still permitted to marry a Jewess or Christian lady and must allow her to practice her faith. If there is no friendship in marriage then where is there friendship?

I find it very, very sad when people try to find reasons to hate instead of reasons to be friends and treat others with respect and kindness.

Salaam

Wallikum Salam Sister,

Sister very very sorry to say you did not read my last post or if you have read you have not read it correctly, people always wanted to take out ad things from other very quickly i would say, just tell me where have i said that if you are not a friend of a non-Muslim you should be a enemy, where have i said that and where i have said that you should not be kind or do not respect other? you are just misquoting me...... I rather said you should be very kind and just and must respect the non-Muslims.....secondly alhamdulilah im a Dai'h so you know basic thing which is important for Davah is the respect for other and kindness to other it may or may not be Muslim but to all and in Davah it is the basic thing because of kindness and good behavior of a Muslim is a source of davah. I just say again and again that we should be kind with everyone including non-Muslims, we should respect all including non-Muslims, we should justly treat everyone including non-Muslims, , if our Muslim brother is on wrong side and non-Muslim brother on non-Muslim side we should tell our Muslim brother to be just and if he do not change his opinion you should support non-Muslim brother. You are misquoting me again about the Quranic verse i quoted you verse 1 of Surah 60 OKAY. You may tell me one Quranic verse about respect of non-Muslims, and many Hadiths also, that we should treat non-Muslims kindly we should treated them justly be nice with them. I again n again saying this you all do not read or may be do not understand im just saying that friendship is other thing kindness is other.

I will again say that we can and i will say should be friend with non-Muslims but what for, for Davah .

Coming to the point of marrying Jewess or Christian lady, first thing that a Jewess or Christian lady who believe in one God with whom. Secondly hat was reason behind it? the reason was look if i marry a Jewess or Christian lady, then she will come to my house or society where i live and you will see then because of it you know she would be very much influenced by Islam by living with me and will convert to Islam inshallah soon. This was the reason behind it, for what purpose then it is Davah so i have repeatedly have said in every post in this topic that we can be and should be friends with non-Muslims for Davah.



A request to all that you would be seeing ma post im answering to every point who post it in and im just not taking one single point out of all the and starting debate on it please do read all the post please.

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by bob x

I am curious why you name yourself "Islam is for you", when you make it plain that Islam is totally against us?

I have very deep meaning in it ill explain:

Its not first time somebody asked me. As i said that im alhamdulilah a Dai'h so for Davah purpose i give it this name. Regarding why i did not used islam4all and used islamis4u because look when you read that name this was as im talking to you and saying to you that Islam is for you....so if non-Muslim read it he or she will say that im saying to them that islam is for you. And if you said that yes Islam is for me and im a muslim you become part of it and for it then you will use islamis4u because we muslims are alhamdulilah gifted by the work of Prophet (May be upon them all) we muslim umah is gifted with it. It is a duty of every Muslim to do davah in any way and in any part small or big but he or she should.