Can I have you for dinner?

[Lecter]

You misunderstood me.

I know that you believe Jesus is God's son. What I am asking you, what do you mean by the word 'son', isn't Jesus just a creation of God?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Lecter

You misunderstood me.

I know that you believe Jesus is God's son. What I am asking you, what do you mean by the word 'son', isn't Jesus just a creation of God?

Gods son Jesus is the first thing that Jehovah created,

and he is the only thing that Jehovah created alone , everything else was created through Jesus ,
but of cause the power to create came from Jehovah .

he is the only -begotten son meaning that he is the only one created by Jehovah alone . ......the only one.......


The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a "son of God." (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38)

But the Lo´gos, later called Jesus, is "the only-begotten Son of God." (Joh 3:18) He is the only one of his kind, the only one whom God himself created directly without the agency or cooperation of any creature.

He is the only one whom God his Father used in bringing into existence all other creatures. He is the firstborn and chief one among all other angels (Col 1:15, 16; Heb 1:5, 6), which angels the Scriptures call "godlike ones" or "gods." (Ps 8:4, 5) Therefore, according to some of the oldest and best manuscripts, the Lord Jesus Christ is properly described as "the only-begotten god [Gr., mo·no·ge·nes´ the·os´]

[mee]

Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi Mee,



The thing is Mee, the quotes and the explanation and prophecy that you use on this forum also come from the same place: the minds of men. Whether the thought is this century, last or 20 centuries ago it still comes from the minds of men. It's your personal belief that the men you quote from are correct. That seems to be the only personal thought you leave us with. Is there any other?
peace
Joe

quoting scripture is quoting the bible ,and that is Gods inspired word not mans thoughts .

[Lecter]

Originally Posted by mee

Gods son Jesus is the first thing that Jehovah created,

But why are you still using the word son? God didn't give birth to Jesus he created him.

Also the word begotten was used to describe David, so it's not an exclusive title of Jesus.

"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee" Psalms 2:7

And Solomon for example was also created before anything else according to the Bible:

Proverbs 8:22-31

22"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old...

So as you can see nothing you say is exclusively said about Jesus. He is god's creation just like everyone else.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Lecter;139721

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Proverbs 8:22-31[/b]

22"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old...

So as you can see nothing you say is exclusively said about Jesus. He is god's creation just like everyone else.

How

do we know that the description of wisdom at Proverbs 8:22-31 applies to Jesus Christ in his prehuman existence?

The inspired description of wisdom found in the book of Proverbs reads: "Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. . . . Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains . . . When he prepared the heavens I was there; . . . then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, . . . and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men."

This passage cannot be speaking merely about divine wisdom or wisdom in the abstract. Why not? Because the wisdom that is here described was "produced," or created, as the beginning of Jehovah’s way.

Jehovah God has always existed and has always been wise. (Psalm 90:1, 2) His wisdom had no beginning; it was neither created nor produced. It was not "brought forth as with labor pains." Furthermore, this wisdom is said to speak and act, representing a person.—Proverbs 8:1.


The book of Proverbs says that long ago wisdom was beside Jehovah, the Creator, as "a master worker."

That certainly applies to Jesus. Long before he came to earth, Jesus worked so closely with Jehovah that God’s Word says: "He is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist."—Colossians 1:17; Revelation 3:14.
Depicting the Son of God as wisdom is appropriate, since he was the One who revealed Jehovah’s wise purposes and decrees.

During his prehuman existence, Jesus was God’s Word, or Spokesman. (John 1:1) He is described as being "the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Corinthians 1:24, 30) What a beautiful description of the Son of God, whose fondness for mankind moved him to give his life as a ransom in their behalf!—John 3:16.

[Lecter]

mee, you keep avoiding to answer my question. I am saying Jesus is one of God's creations amongst everything else. He is a servant of God. But you keep using the word "Son" I am asking you what do you mean by the word son, didn't you just say that god created him?

Gods son Jesus is the first thing that Jehovah created

God created Jesus, he did not give birth to him. So your use of the word son is most inaccurate.

Also you say everything was created through Jesus and yet there is not a single proof or evidence for this.

Not to mention Jesus himself declares:

John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing.”

So again, why do you insist on using the word son? Do you even understand what that implies?

[Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine]

mee, Lecter, please "chill" for a bit (especially you, mee.)

Anyway, Lecter, the :kitty: delegation has just brought out three more Sweeney Todd pies for you (no they didn't nibble any since they are quite happy with their usual food/treats.)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

[Lecter]

Oh I should have added a smiley, it's all good! Was just having a little fun with mee

ohhhh food, me hungry mucho!

[mee]

Originally Posted by Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

mee, Lecter, please "chill" for a bit (especially you, mee.)


Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

i am very chilled and content, and it feels really good