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[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

Certainly this is true of rifles, but what purpose does a handgun have other than killing people?


I simply wouldnt give anyone a gun

The person who was taught to drive, of course, but cars have a purpose other than killing.

(working on the assumption that you are talking about handguns)
Why do you own guns then?

You have to acknowledge the fact that if people did not commit crimes with guns they would use something else.. Look at England.. With their strict gun control laws the criminals use knives and blunt objects. You cannot tell me that doesnt happen I have a good friend who lives in Hampshire and we discussed at great length the crime there.. Its easier to stab someone or knock them over the head than it is to pull a trigger rather than just threatening with it.

You have to admit that a lot of terrorism is carried out using automobiles. The same with guns.. Just because it has another purpose does not make it any less a weapon in the hands of a violent person.

I have the right to own a gun.. Even if its just for the purpose of defending myself against a corrupt government its still my right.

[kiwimac]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

There are other ways to get meat than from a grocery store...Most people do not own guns to shoot people despite opinions from anti-gun people.

You give two people a gun.. one person knows gun safety the other one doesnt.. which do you trust more to handle it.

Its the same with driving a car.. one person was taught how to drive the other one wasnt... which do you trust more to drive it.

You DON'T go hunting with a handgun! Not only are they inaccurate over about 25 metres, they generally are not powerful enough. Here in NZ we have guns in 1 out of every 3 households. 85% are rifles FOR HUNTING.

Goodness me!

Children+Christian fundamentalist mindset+Weapons = Great dollops of manure ready to fall on some one, some when.

Kiwimac

[kiwimac]

As for a right to defend oneself, I kind of thought the Sermon on the Mount took care of that once and for all?

Kiwimac

[InLove]

kiwimac--hello, and peace--

I think you will find that Faithfulservant's concern is with the spirit of what is offered at the camp--not the caliber nor the diameter of the bullets that come out of the handguns or any other specifications.

I cannot speak for her, but I think that the right to bear arms is an issue all of us here in the U.S. and around the world must ponder.

Does it mean something different in New Zealand?

[kiwimac]

In Love,

Nonetheless. Handgun related deaths per capita are at their highest in the US. Which is why I find the whole concept of a group of Christians offering to teach children to use them unbelievable. Teaching kids (of an older age) to hunt, OK, that I could accept especially if it included first aid, tracking, that kind of thing.

Handguns, however, have only ONE purpose and that is to kill folk.

As for NZ, there is NO right to bear arms here. We expect that those people who want to use Rifles etc will go through intensive training courses and be vetted thoroughly by the police. To own a usable handgun here you must go through a very careful process and you must be a member of a local handgun users group which sponsors you.

For me as a Wayfarer, I can think of no good reason for my fellow christians to own a handgun unless they are sports-shooters.

Kiwimac

[InLove]

Hi, kiwimac--

Yes, being properly instructed is very important--I think it might make a difference here in the U.S. if it were required and enforced. I no longer have guns in my house--I am not comfortable with them. But there was a time when there were several guns here because I was married to an former army artillery man who really enjoyed target practice with no real interest in hunting (he passed on at a young age, and I am married again--neither I nor my current husband want any guns around.) But I still think that my personal right to bear arms is important. The issue is certainly not easy to resolve when it comes to legislation and where the government and private citizens draw the lines. I certainly would draw them before introducing the program at this church camp.

InPeace,
InLove

[Faithfulservant]

Kiwimac if you read the earlier posts you can see that I was concerned with the COMBAT website and how strongly they were promoting guns with children... later on the topic got derailed to gun control.. Im a firm believer in my rights as an American and in my lifetime Ive slowly watched some of those rights get tampered with and taken away.


Considering we are the third most populated country in the world 300million people ... we are 8th on the list at .02 per 1000 people.. does it no way convince me that our firearm deaths per capita should be a reason to enforce gun control.

[Käthe]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

I hear the US C.O.M.B.A.T 4 Christ group has a sister organisation in the UK, called C.U.P of T.E.A 4 Christ.

"Tea and cake or death!'

- Eddie Izzard

[Käthe]

Can someone tell me what that "alert" next to the topic title indicates? I've figured out the "locked" thingie, but what is the "alert" about?

Is it like a "caution" sign?

[brucegdc]

Originally Posted by Käthe

Can someone tell me what that "alert" next to the topic title indicates? I've figured out the "locked" thingie, but what is the "alert" about?

Is it like a "caution" sign?

When you create a post or a topic you can select an icon to go with it. Basically, that's what the original poster did. This one should have the spy smiley next to it.

[didymus]

I would say that I was a little alarmed by this site. The name in itself is revealing even if the intent isn't to train kids to fight infidels. It may just be an after school recreational park but one can't dismiss the COMBAT in capital letters and the arm weilding the giant machete.

[Aidyl Nurhadi]

Originally Posted by dauer

fs,

I looked over the whole thing and that's exactly what stuck out to me. But the rest of the site seems cool. But weapons? Weapons + God = seeds for Holy War/Crusade/Jihad.

Weapons+God= Jihad? what the heck is this? Now this is what I call a sickness...classical case of knowledgeable ignorance. Jihad is not equivallent to weapon brother nor is it anywhere close to the term "holy war"..... Jihad comes from the Arabic Jahada which means struggle..and in the more proper definition it means SPIRITUAL STRUGGLE, and the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. said the holiest Jihad is the Jihad against one's inner self. Holy War? this idea is virtually inexistent in the Qur'an. War can never be holy, it might be necessary on certain circumstances but it can never be holy. Holy War in Arabic is Harbun Muqaddasatun, try to find this in the Qur'an...you'll never find it....War is either Qital or Harb in Arabic...not Jihad....I hope you understand now.

[Aidyl Nurhadi]

http://www.combat4christ.com/C4C.htm

I think that camp ought to be closed. Teaching children the usage of life Guns for the weekend? What in the world are they doing??