British atrocities in Australia

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, gandhi was a bit like Buddha, very loving and nonviolent, and fought against British imperialism peacefully.

Bose, on the other hand, was a bit like Krishna, very tough and warlike, and fought against British imperialism with force.

If these are the two figures you are trying to emulate, you are failing miserably.

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, I am not a hindu nationalist in this dimension, just a humanist, and protester against injustice. And get your facts straight, the british were thrashed out of India in the 20 th century.

Exactly my point - you're a Hindu Nationalist, and need to demonise Britain in order to sup[port your national viewpoint.

Originally Posted by niranjan

Indian nationalism was curbed and stifled by the British Macaulays education all right.

But even then, what does Indian nationalism has to do with me protesting against British atrocities in Australia.

Again, exactly my point - you are overflowing with pride for India, that India can do no wrong, and supporting all by trying to demonise the British over events 2 centuries ago.

It's a nationalist outlook pure and simple.

Look, I'm not bashing India - India is great and I'd love to visit - but your nationalist sentiments that require demonisation of other people is, frankly, immature.

So far your only remit on CR has been to sustain and develop this pride by criticising the history of other nations, too afraid to criticise whatever may happen in your own backyard, or else excuse it as someone else fault due to historical demons, etc.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

If these are the two figures you are trying to emulate, you are failing miserably. .

OK, I love these guys and they have inspired me as well, but what I am writing over here is my own stuff from my own mind, not theirs.

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Exactly my point - you're a Hindu Nationalist, and need to demonise Britain in order to sup[port your national viewpoint..

And what on earth does hindu nationalism has to do with the persecution of aborginals in Australia.

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Again, exactly my point - you are overflowing with pride for India, that India can do no wrong, and supporting all by trying to demonise the British over events 2 centuries ago.

And again , what does India has to do with me talking about persecution of aborginals in australia.

And the British indeed has done atrocities all over the centuries to the present day as well, as shown by the iraqi invasion and persecution of aborginals in Australia.

[wil]

Namaste Niranjan,

What is the intent of this thread? Most of us know the plight of indigenous peoples around the world. Larger countries invade and takeover, deeming their ways archaic and often the people substandard and enslave them.

There is not much that can be done today about what was done by our far gone ancestors...but there is much that can be done right now.

I don't think the British citizenry that you are discussing this with on this forum have much they can do about the Australian's gov't current dealings with these peoples, but if you do, or if you have a suggestion, go for it.

Just like I don't have much I can do about child labor, the continuing caste system, or inhumane conditions if factories in India accept not buy the products when I find they are produced under such conditions. Nor can I personally affect those traumatized by war for the past decades in Sri Lanka, Pakistan or Bangladesh, but perhaps as you are closer maybe you could.

I give occasionally nationally and internationally when I think I find someone that can help. I say occasionally, it is more like rarely because I dislike the arrogant american that thinks we can solve others problems from distances when we don't really know the entire social situation. I volunteer and am active locally to change conditions in my neck of the woods....

I'd really like to know what you would like this thread to do....as so far throwing jabs across cyberspace doesn't seem to be doing anything.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Niranjan,

What is the intent of this thread? Most of us know the plight of indigenous peoples around the world. Larger countries invade and takeover, deeming their ways archaic and often the people substandard and enslave them..

Well, it is for those who don't know.

Originally Posted by wil

There is not much that can be done today about what was done by our far gone ancestors...but there is much that can be done right now...

Then do it. It is long overdue

Originally Posted by wil

I don't think the British citizenry that you are discussing this with on this forum have much they can do about the Australian's gov't current dealings with these peoples, but if you do, or if you have a suggestion, go for it.

Well, the British citizenry can easily stir up public opinion in Britain about the way the aborginals are treated in Australia, and stop their persecution.
In case you forget, the British queen is the head of state of Australia, which has belonged to the aborginals for centuries.

Originally Posted by wil

Just like I don't have much I can do about child labor, the continuing caste system, or inhumane conditions if factories in India accept not buy the products when I find they are produced under such conditions. Nor can I personally affect those traumatized by war for the past decades in Sri Lanka, Pakistan or Bangladesh, but perhaps as you are closer maybe you could.
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Child labour is banned in India, and many culprits have been arrested. Also NGOs and hindu spiritual organisations have rescued many children and are taking care of them by providing them with education, nutrition and a home.

The caste system is also banned in India,and those who practice caste discrimination are also arrested and prosecuted. Many idiots have been made an example.

And as for the so-called inhumane conditions of factories in India, I have been to factories and I haven't seen any inhumane conditions. All indian factories have labour unions, which are aggressive in demanding better wages and conditions and stuff. In fact this is a problem in Kerala, because the labour unions keep on demanding ludicrous salaries, turning away many potential factories in Kerala, but even this is changing as well.And I have indeed criticized many evils in India, in other forums and will keep on doing so.l

Originally Posted by wil

I'd really like to know what you would like this thread to do....as so far throwing jabs across cyberspace doesn't seem to be doing anything.

Well, to tell the truth honestly, it ruined the day when I first read about atrocities against the aborginals a few months back , a sample of which you can find in the OP.

So I was hoping that I can create awareness of the persecution of this noble people in Australia, which the world has forgotten, and shed light on it.

This might force the white australian government to spend some money on their welfare,education and health issues.

Australia is a so-called first world country, but the aborginals have very low life expectancy compared to the wealthy whites.

The government should indeed spend some 30-40 billion dollars on helping the aborginals and preserving their culture. This is the least they can do, for what they have done.

[wil]

You might have heard the comment that you get more flys with honey than vinegar....

If you want something done, be clear about it. If you want to dispense information do so with out venom and hate.

Throwing money at issues doesn't solve problems. Regaining there heritage, very few want to return to the outback and live as their ancestors did. Putting folks on the dole because they were mistreated in the past creates more problems...these are complicated situations...

I honor your concern, keep going to school, get a degree which will allow you to make a difference. Your activism is appropriate, channeling that energy effectively will garner results and compatriots instead of enemies.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by wil

You might have heard the comment that you get more flys with honey than vinegar.....

No I haven't. Would appreciate it if you elaborate.

Originally Posted by wil

If you want something done, be clear about it. If you want to dispense information do so with out venom and hate.

And where is my so-called venom. That I posted material on atrocities on aborginals !!!

Originally Posted by wil

Throwing money at issues doesn't solve problems..

Oh it will. Schools, colleges and hospitals, require money.

Originally Posted by wil

Regaining there heritage, very few want to return to the outback and live as their ancestors did...

Their ancestors live much better than how these poor guys are living right now.

Originally Posted by wil

Putting folks on the dole because they were mistreated in the past creates more problems...these are complicated situations...

Well, I guess that is very convenient for you to say because you are an american.

Originally Posted by wil

I honor your concern,

If you honour my concern then pressurise your government to put pressure on the australian government to stop maltreating the aborginals.I will do my part.

Originally Posted by wil

keep going to school, get a degree which will allow you to make a difference.

,

I already have, but you don't need to go to school or get a degree to make a difference. And Jesus is an example of this.

Originally Posted by wil

Your activism is appropriate, channeling that energy effectively will garner results and compatriots instead of enemies.

And do you think guys like Paine, Voltaire, Vivekananda and Gandhi did not have enemies.

[wil]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, I guess that is very convenient for you to say because you are an american.

Yes, I am the convenient American, a country where nobody starves or is mistreated. As a matter of fact no one dies here, we all live forever and never work. I have no more time for you and your worldly problems, I must insure the immigrant in charge is making sure the immigrants are cleaning my pool and preparing my meal correctly.

So glad you to hear there are no issues in India, no walled/gated communities, even distribution of wealth. It is so wonderful that you've solved all those problems those pesky Britishers caused when they took over. Leaves you the opportunity to leave the polo or cricket game in peace, walk casually by the train station with no peasants begging as in days past, so by you can solve the problems of the world half a globe away.

I am enthralled to be able to speak to one so learned in the ways of those Britishers and educating the world they have conned, we'll soon be rid of them...maybe one day you'll have one as man servant wouldn't that be fitting.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by wil

Yes, I am the convenient American, a country where nobody starves or is mistreated.

Thank you for giving me a very good laugh.

And I suppose the native Indians and blacks are being treated well. I heard that Colin Powell abandoned his plans for presidency after getting a lot of hate mail.

Also heard recently from a white american in an another forum about the atrocities against the native Indian and how 1 in every 3 Indian women are raped . And I very well know what happened to the blacks and the native american indians not very long back.

Perhaps you should understand if Gandhis disciple, Martin Luther King had not created the civil rights movement in the 60s , the blacks would still would have been lynched in America.

[wil]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Thank you for giving me a very good laugh.

And I suppose the native Indians and blacks are being treated well. I heard that Colin Powell abandoned his plans for presidency after getting a lot of hate mail.

Also heard recently from a white american in an another forum about the atrocities against the native Indian and how 1 in every 3 Indian women are raped . And I very well know what happened to the blacks and the native american indians not very long back.

Perhaps you should understand if Gandhis disciple, Martin Luther King had not created the civil rights movement in the 60s , the blacks would still would have been lynched in America.

Exactly this country has many problems, hence my desire to work at home to make it better. So what caused you to say...

Well, I guess that is very convenient for you to say because you are an american.

What is so convenient for me to say being an American, plenty of blood on these shores. But again, I implore you to move forward from today and not continue to wallow in the past...yes I was born in a segregated society, before civil rights....but as discussed by others we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers.

And seeing the gross injustice our throwing money at our native problems, and producing drug addicts and alcoholics through welfare programs...we continue to enslave these people. Now some of the tribes have boatloads of money due to casino profits but their people still have tons of social and psychological issues...money does not cure it.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by wil

Exactly this country has many problems, hence my desire to work at home to make it better. .

Glad, I inspired you. Go for it, cowboy.

Originally Posted by wil

So what caused you to say...What is so convenient for me to say being an American, plenty of blood on these shores. But again, I implore you to move forward from today and not continue to wallow in the past...yes I was born in a segregated society, before civil rights....but as discussed by others we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers..

You can say that you are not responsible for the sins of your fathers by giving abundant financial aid to the blacks and native Indian americans,and make sure their ladies are not outraged again.

Originally Posted by wil

Now some of the tribes have boatloads of money due to casino profits but their people still have tons of social and psychological issues...money does not cure it.

Well, I guess when you are oppressed in your own land, driven away from your sacred lands, humiliated, slaughtered, and raped and looted, and have your culture and heritage destroyed, you indeed will have social and psychological issues.

[Prober]

Free Tibet!

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Prober

Free Tibet!

Yeah dude, freedom to Tibet , and freedom and democracy to China, and my humble tribute to the students who were massacred in Tiannemam square in 1990.
The world has not forgotten you. Well, at least I have not forgotten you.

[Faithfulservant]

The purpose of this thread could be spoken of any natives in a land invaded. Native Americans still live on impoverished reservations. The same as the aboriginals the percentage that have alcohol problems is staggering.

Spain did its fair share in South America..

Its tragic.. but if someones passing money around.. I think the aboriginals arent the only ones deserving.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Also heard recently from a white american in an another forum about the atrocities against the native Indian and how 1 in every 3 Indian women are raped . And I very well know what happened to the blacks and the native american indians not very long back.

If you had bothered to research that of which you speak for yourself then you would soon have realised that the vast majority of rapes against native american woman are perpetrated by native american men. You, in your ignorance and self-serving, self-edifying statements pull what you want from where you want, interpret it to your narrow agenda and paste it as truth. It is nothing of the kind, its your own mental construct.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

If you had bothered to research that of which you speak for yourself then you would soon have realised that the vast majority of rapes against native american woman are perpetrated by native american men. You, in your ignorance and self-serving, self-edifying statements pull what you want from where you want, interpret it to your narrow agenda and paste it as truth. It is nothing of the kind, its your own mental construct.

Well, well, well. I thought you were not going to reply to me, as you said in a previous post, that this is your final, final , final, post to me, and you said that before as well.

You sure have a lot of harmony between your thoughts , words, and deeds.


And indeed , my british pal, if you check my links, you can see that most of the rapes are perpetrated by men of other races.