Brian and Vajradhara explain US and UK actions?!

[Postmaster]

I leave you with an other link, by a respectable British news paper

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cyprus/sto...639535,00.html

[Postmaster]

By all accounts the Cypriot Greeks have behaved as mindless aggressors, and there's absolutely nothing suprior and moral about that. Killing British service personal is neither superior nor particularly moral - and neither is targeting civilians, as the EOKA did.

Western propaganda, you don't have to believe it you know, if I have no reason to be blaming and pissed about the actions of the UK, why am I? Maybe an other illogical Cypriot.

Also, the sectarian violence by Greek Cypriots against Turkish Cypriots hardly sounds socially superior or of particular moral value.

Both my grandfathers had best Turkish friends and both can speak Turkish till today, there are no mass graves in Cyprus of Turkish people, however in Cyprus there are plently of Greek Cypriot mass graves after the invasion.. Where is the Greek Cypriot violence? We lived more peaceful with the Turkish Cypriots then the English do with the Asians in Bradford.

I'm pretty impressed to see you cheer those people who murder British service personnel and hail them as heroes - then whine about how the British armed services didn't then protect the interests of these people.

And it's ok for the British sun papers like the Sun saying on there front page "WE ARE BACK OUR BOYS!!" Next thing you know http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...g-t&fl=0&x=wrt from both US and UK troops.

Fighting invaders for justice is an other stroy.

[Quahom1]

Please explain how this has anything to do with US and UK actions in the world.


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[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Western propaganda, you don't have to believe it you know

Why is it propaganda if it doesn't appeal to the Greek Cypriot bias? Remember what you said to Alexa just above:

Originally Posted by Postmaster

People that defend there governments simply because of belonging to them are just as guilt out of ignorance, it takes a bit of a heart to say what you just did Alexa.

Anyway:

Where is the Greek Cypriot violence? We lived more peaceful with the Turkish Cypriots then the English do with the Asians in Bradford.

Seems that history doesn't agree:
http://www.weltpolitik.net/Regionen/...0conflict.html

References to 1000 Turkish dead (and 200 Greek Cyrpiots) in riots in 1963, especially around Nicosia, and was enough for the UN to send in 7,000 Peacekeepers.

According to Encarta, it was the Greek Cypriots attempting to remove political rights from Turkish minority, as accorded as part of the original Cypriot constitution, that led to this violence:
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...us.html#endads

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Both my grandfathers had best Turkish friends and both can speak Turkish till today

I hear in Northern Ireland there have always been Protestants and Catholics who could get along fine - in fact, the IRA had been known to murder Catholics simply for being friendly to Protestants, according to news reports.

So it's easy to accept that your grandfathers had Turkish friends - but I can't find a single historical reference online suggesting overall peace between Greek Cypriots or Turkish Cypriots, between the period of Cypriot independence, and before the leader of the EOKA terrorist group led a Greek-backed coup against the existing Greek Cypriot government.

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Please explain how this has anything to do with US and UK actions in the world.


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I think a point I'm trying to highlight here is that human social groups will often seek self-preservation of interests against the interests of other social groups.

It seems a socio-political trait inherent within humanity, and in many threads we've touched upon how religion can be manipulated into a justification of such action.

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

I think the big Q has a point though. Turkey invaded Cyprus, right or wrong? moral or legal? who knows. But why beat on the Americans and British about it? Go have a go at the Turks.

[Postmaster]

Britain gave Turkey the go ahead for the invasion, that's a fact.

There's 60 billion dollars worth of oil in the republic of Cyprus waters, can't be too much of coincidence that Turkey has enlarged its military capacity on the island of US hardware recently.

I'd just love to quote Brian here

Originally Posted by Brian

Be careful with Wikipedia, though - completely neutral it is not.
Somethings I just can't accpet..

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

The way I read it, Turkey asked for Britain's help in a military action to uphold a treaty and Britain refused military aid. Maybe if Britain had actually been involved in the invasion there would not now be a Turkish section of cyprus, who knows.

Just because Britain did not go to war to stop the Turks hardly makes it responsible.

[Postmaster]

Greek Cypriots have a saying, US, UK and Turkey are the same thing. One is nothing without the other..

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

You might have a point with the US and UK, although some of us may not like it at times, there is very little to seperate us politically or socially. As for Turkey, I cant see any similarities or aphiliations. A lot of people in the UK enjoy Turkish kebabs but thats about it.

The simple fact is that once, a long time ago, Britain was the dominant power in the world and its influence touched every part of the globe, now America has taken over the role. There probably is a certain amount of responsibility that goes long with this sort of power, but that does not mean you can blame all of your political problems on one or the other.

The UK and US tried to help the people of Iraq and look where that got us. Yes, I know, there was oil involved and a lot of other countries who need help go without, but still, the world gives nothing but grief to the US and UK for ridding Iraq of an evil dictator. Based on this experience, why should the UK or US intervene in Cyprus?

[Postmaster]

Originally Posted by Brian

References to 1000 Turkish dead (and 200 Greek Cyrpiots) in riots in 1963, especially around Nicosia, and was enough for the UN to send in 7,000 Peacekeepers.

According to Encarta, it was the Greek Cypriots attempting to remove political rights from Turkish minority, as accorded as part of the original Cypriot constitution, that led to this violence:

Like I said Brian it was a SET UP a fraud the British caused the problems right from the start they set it up, they set it all up...!!!!!! Pirates..!

And the US researchers looking for Atlantis in Cyprus in our waters, what do you really think they were looking for? BLACK GOLD.

http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/cover1.jpg

Cyprus - Oil reservesNicosia, Aug 23 (CNA) -- Cyprus officials will have meetings with government officials from Egypt, Lebanon, Israel and possibly Libya, on issues relating to oil and natural gas reserves in eastern Mediterranen, Government Spokesman Michalis Papapetrou said here today. Cyprus has already held similar talks with Syria.
Replying to questions on whether there are any positive indications stemming from scientific researches for the existence of oil reserves in the region, Papapetrou answered in the affirmative. He did not elaborate. CNA/MK/RM/GP/2001

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

Can you back up your accusations of the British being "pirates" and committing this massive fraud?

And those researchers who claimed to be looking for Atlantis, maybe they were looking for Atlantis?

I did a quick google

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...is+cyprus&meta=

and it looks genuine to me.

[Postmaster]

Actually, I've known about the Cyprus Atlantis project for a long time.. And yes there might be truth in it, but here in the UK we get Cypriot broadcasting and the people in the Cypriot government are convinced they don't have sincere intensions and could be spys because of timing and location. They knew that Atlantis could have been there for yearssssssssssssssss. Food for thought, I could be wrong about that. I suppose it's one mad mans word agaisn't the sane.. But you know what, stay skeptical.

[alexa]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I think that the US and UK actions are a result of pure cussedness. The basic make up of the two contries are of a people that do not take "no" for an answer. Nor do they accept "you can't" as a viable option.

As you say, Q, it's pure cussedness. But I'm sure you not all cussed.

The other interesting point is that it isn't a particular "race" of people, but rather a mind set of people who have lived a certain way for a long time.

As opposed to the concept of a "homogenous" race, the UK and the US are a people of like minds.

Nothing wrong with people of like minds together. Those who think the same way, do not fight one against the other. It won't be bad to have people of like minds on the entire planet. War will become useless.

Freedom (as they say) isn't free. It comes at a cost. I submit that we are willing to pay that price.

I always thought, USA is a free country. That part with "freedom isn't free" intrigues me. Who are they, Q ? The current administration ?

I hope one day, USA will change its external policy. And all the money spent for wars elsewhere, will be directed for the benefit of american people. I mean for those who don't make fortune keeping wars "on going".

[alexa]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Invading people of Superior societies and of higher moral life styles.

Did you travel outside your country, PM ?