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[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

And for many, that just isn't their focus. Living out Jesus' message as best I can is my focus, and the focus of countless other Christians. I'm not focused on prophecy and chronology.

Keeping awake to bible prophecy and chronology means that we are aware just where we are in the stream of time .


. and many things are happening in line with the signs of the times that Jesus spoke of . many in centuries past fell asleep and now they are in spiritual darkness.

the annoucing about the fullfillment of bible prophecy and chronology (daniel 2;44) is a global thing that is leading people to the right way .

[path_of_one]

Whatever works for you, mee. It's just not my interest and I'm not really concerned about where I'm at in time, to be honest. Whether or not the world is coming to an end/change, I live my life the best I can and worship God because that is what is right. I trust the rest to God and I'm not concerned with the details. Even if I knew the details, it wouldn't change what is happening or how I am living, and it's no different from facing that I will die one day-- I'm a big believer in trying to live in the now.

"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." (Matthew 6:34)

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Whatever works for you, mee. It's just not my interest and I'm not really concerned about where I'm at in time, to be honest. Whether or not the world is coming to an end/change, I live my life the best I can and worship God because that is what is right. I trust the rest to God and I'm not concerned with the details. Even if I knew the details, it wouldn't change what is happening or how I am living, and it's no different from facing that I will die one day-- I'm a big believer in trying to live in the now.

"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." (Matthew 6:34)

why do you mention worrying i find it a thrilling time to be living in . and knowing just where we are in the stream of times means that i can work along with Gods purpose and that is GOODNEWS

[Azure24]

Originally Posted by mee

why do you mention worrying i find it a thrilling time to be living in . and knowing just where we are in the stream of times means that i can work along with Gods purpose and that is GOODNEWS

Don't give us that "the end of the world is nigh" nonsense. I could probably write in a hundred pages of the amount of people who thought we were at "the end of times" in the past. If you really believe it then go and sell all your possession (your computer?) because you will no longer need them... Have you not heard of the great dissappointment.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Azure24

Don't give us that "the end of the world is nigh" nonsense. I could probably write in a hundred pages of the amount of people who thought we were at "the end of times" in the past. If you really believe it then go and sell all your possession (your computer?) because you will no longer need them... Have you not heard of the great dissappointment.

LMAOROF The pearl of great price is it then? I think the use of tools to communicate with each other will be needed until the last twinkling of an eye...then after that, it won't matter, and I suspect internet and computers will be laughed at as so much cave drawing for archeologists to try and interpret 10,000 years later...

As far as the great "disappointment" - every day I wake up and heaven isn't here, I'm greatly disapointed. But then I figure, well, I'm alotted another 24 hours, so go do something useful and thank God for the opportunity.

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Q

[mee]

Originally Posted by Azure24

Have you not heard of the great dissappointment.

have you not seen the signs of the times , and the parousia inline with the bible .


thrilling times indeed

[path_of_one]

I think you missed my point, mee. Whether you find that contemplating (thinking about) tomorrow brings you a thrill or anxiety, the fact remains that when you are focused on tomorrow, you are not focused on today/now. Jesus instructs us to focus on today, and to be vigilant over our actions and thoughts because he could return at any time. He did not instruct us to spend our time trying to figure out when he would return and getting all wrapped up with this sign and that sign. He said he would come like a thief in the night...

The point is, I'm more likely to die before tomorrow than the end of the world happening. Either way, I will be before God. So I should be living a life that will not make me ashamed (to the best of my ability). I should be focused on loving others and being Christ's hands and feet on earth, spreading his love.

If I am doing this, there is no purpose in wasting my precious moments I could be worshipping God and serving others, loving life and finding joy, in exercises of trying to figure out the details of prophecy.

I believe in focusing on the now, finding peace and joy in God and sharing this with others, and if the end of the world comes or I die, then I am already doing what I should be doing anyway. Doesn't matter whether that is tomorrow or sixty years from now...

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

I think you missed my point, mee. Whether you find that contemplating (thinking about) tomorrow brings you a thrill or anxiety, the fact remains that when you are focused on tomorrow, you are not focused on today/now. Jesus instructs us to focus on today, and to be vigilant over our actions and thoughts because he could return at any time. He did not instruct us to spend our time trying to figure out when he would return and getting all wrapped up with this sign and that sign. He said he would come like a thief in the night...

The point is, I'm more likely to die before tomorrow than the end of the world happening. Either way, I will be before God. So I should be living a life that will not make me ashamed (to the best of my ability). I should be focused on loving others and being Christ's hands and feet on earth, spreading his love.

If I am doing this, there is no purpose in wasting my precious moments I could be worshipping God and serving others, loving life and finding joy, in exercises of trying to figure out the details of prophecy.

I believe in focusing on the now, finding peace and joy in God and sharing this with others, and if the end of the world comes or I die, then I am already doing what I should be doing anyway. Doesn't matter whether that is tomorrow or sixty years from now...

end of the world the bible does not teach the end of the world it tells us that the end of manmade goverments and rulerships will come Daniel 2;44

and knowing where we are in the stream of time means that we can be on the right side when that happens

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

I think you missed my point, mee. Whether you find that contemplating (thinking about) tomorrow brings you a thrill or anxiety, the fact remains that when you are focused on tomorrow, you are not focused on today/now. Jesus instructs us to focus on today, and to be vigilant over our actions and thoughts because he could return at any time. He did not instruct us to spend our time trying to figure out when he would return and getting all wrapped up with this sign and that sign. He said he would come like a thief in the night...

The point is, I'm more likely to die before tomorrow than the end of the world happening. Either way, I will be before God. So I should be living a life that will not make me ashamed (to the best of my ability). I should be focused on loving others and being Christ's hands and feet on earth, spreading his love.

If I am doing this, there is no purpose in wasting my precious moments I could be worshipping God and serving others, loving life and finding joy, in exercises of trying to figure out the details of prophecy.

I believe in focusing on the now, finding peace and joy in God and sharing this with others, and if the end of the world comes or I die, then I am already doing what I should be doing anyway. Doesn't matter whether that is tomorrow or sixty years from now...

Do You Recognize the Sign of Jesus Presence? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
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[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by mee

and knowing where we are in the stream of time means that we can be on the right side when that happens

You totally missed my point.

I believe in being "on the right side" always, so it doesn't matter where I am "in the stream of time." If I'm always on the right side, then I'm always ready. No need to waste my time figuring out what will happen if I'm already prepared.

I don't think I should try to be on the right side because of something that is going to happen. I should be on the right side because that is what is right.

Simple. My focus is on discerning and acting upon what is right, not figuring out when (or if or how) I will be rewarded. I don't need signs. I'm content to follow God's will the best I can each day because that is what God deserves from me.

If you feel you need a timeline and signs, then that is your perogative. I simply don't need them.

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

You totally missed my point.

I believe in being "on the right side" always, so it doesn't matter where I am "in the stream of time." If I'm always on the right side, then I'm always ready. No need to waste my time figuring out what will happen if I'm already prepared.

I don't think I should try to be on the right side because of something that is going to happen. I should be on the right side because that is what is right.

Simple. My focus is on discerning and acting upon what is right, not figuring out when (or if or how) I will be rewarded. I don't need signs. I'm content to follow God's will the best I can each day because that is what God deserves from me.

If you feel you need a timeline and signs, then that is your perogative. I simply don't need them.

i agree with everything that you say , but dismissing fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology would put us out of line with God and his purpose for the earth.

so recognising just where we are in the stream of time would have a lot to do with going along with God . so focusing and discerning and acting have a lot to do with it . remember it was not me or any one else that left the signs to look out for ,it was Jesus himself .

[mee]

IDENTIFYING MARKS OF THE LAST DAYS

• Unprecedented warfare.—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4
• Famine.—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:5, 6, 8
• Pestilences.—Luke 21:11; Revelation 6:8
• Increasing lawlessness.—Matthew 24:12
• Earthquakes.—Matthew 24:7
• Critical times hard to deal with.—2 Timothy 3:1
• Inordinate love of money.—2 Timothy 3:2
• Disobedience to parents.—2 Timothy 3:2
• A lack of natural affection.—2 Timothy 3:3
• Loving pleasures rather than God.—2 Timothy 3:4
• A lack of self-control.—2 Timothy 3:3
• Without love of goodness.—2 Timothy 3:3
• Taking no note of the impending danger.—Matthew 24:39
• Ridiculers rejecting proof of the last days.—2 Peter 3:3, 4
• Global preaching of God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 24:14

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by mee

i agree with everything that you say , but dismissing fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology would put us out of line with God and his purpose for the earth.

so recognising just where we are in the stream of time would have a lot to do with going along with God . so focusing and discerning and acting have a lot to do with it . remember it was not me or any one else that left the signs to look out for ,it was Jesus himself .

That is your opinion, and if it helps you in your journey with God, then it is a good thing you spend time doing it. But it just isn't for me.

It isn't like I spend time trying to disprove prophecy any more than I spend time trying to understand or prove it. I just spend no time on it at all. I don't need signs, so I don't bother with them.

I have a limited amount of time, as I'm sure you do as well. Most of it is spent working and sleeping. What little time I have left, I have to distribute among caring for my family and home, serving others and taking care of the earth, and in spirituality. And of course, a bit of fun and relaxation- art and horseback riding and such. I choose that my spiritual path focuses on action (loving others) and worship (loving God). The details just aren't in the picture because I don't need them for either activity, which is what Jesus commanded me to do. I can love God without understanding all the details. I can love and serve others without interpreting prophecy, simply by attending their basic needs (with my family, community, and global charity) and being available for discussing and sharing about God (like here at CR).

I guess I don't understand what spending time figuring out prophecy has to do with effectively loving others and God. You can love without the details, so why waste time on the details? For every hour it would take me to study Revelation and all the interpretations, and make decisions about what I think about it... I could spend that hour in volunteer work, or prayer, or art (which to me is a way to express my spirituality), or in talking to my grandmother, or any other number of activities that immediately fulfills Jesus' command to love God and each other.

Maybe for you, studying prophecy is a way to connect with God? But it is not so for everyone. I connect with God through walking in the forests, through singing hymns, through holding a friend's hand. To each their own. God made us each unique, and there are many spiritual gifts.

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

That is your opinion, and if it helps you in your journey with God, then it is a good thing you spend time doing it. But it just isn't for me.

It isn't like I spend time trying to disprove prophecy any more than I spend time trying to understand or prove it. I just spend no time on it at all. I don't need signs, so I don't bother with them.

I have a limited amount of time, as I'm sure you do as well. Most of it is spent working and sleeping. What little time I have left, I have to distribute among caring for my family and home, serving others and taking care of the earth, and in spirituality. And of course, a bit of fun and relaxation- art and horseback riding and such. I choose that my spiritual path focuses on action (loving others) and worship (loving God). The details just aren't in the picture because I don't need them for either activity, which is what Jesus commanded me to do. I can love God without understanding all the details. I can love and serve others without interpreting prophecy, simply by attending their basic needs (with my family, community, and global charity) and being available for discussing and sharing about God (like here at CR).

I guess I don't understand what spending time figuring out prophecy has to do with effectively loving others and God. You can love without the details, so why waste time on the details? For every hour it would take me to study Revelation and all the interpretations, and make decisions about what I think about it... I could spend that hour in volunteer work, or prayer, or art (which to me is a way to express my spirituality), or in talking to my grandmother, or any other number of activities that immediately fulfills Jesus' command to love God and each other.

Maybe for you, studying prophecy is a way to connect with God? But it is not so for everyone. I connect with God through walking in the forests, through singing hymns, through holding a friend's hand. To each their own. God made us each unique, and there are many spiritual gifts.

yes all of those things you mention are Good , and in this time of the end the understanding about the prophecies especially the ones regarding GODS HEAVENLY KINGDOM DANIEL 2;44 and the understanding that Jesus is now a reigning king ,in that newly established heavenly kingdom ,is now abundant knowledge indeed Daniel 12;4 Daniel 7;13-14 so we dont need to spend our time wondering and searching the bible because the early bible students have done all of the roving around the bible and now the true knowledge is abundant indeed.

but what is important for us is to recognise fullfilled bible prophecy and to put our trust in that HEAVENLY KINGDOM GOVERMENT DANIEL 2;44



Just as Jesus fullfilled the prophecies in the hebrew scriptures back in his day , and those who recognized him as Gods representative back then were looking to the right way .

so it is today , the prophecies are fullfilled and recognizing those fullfilled prophecies is the way to go . remember it was the proud religious leaders that did not recognise Jesus , so it is to day, the so called religious leaders who claim to be Gods representatives do not recognize fullfilled bible prophecy and all the signs that go with it . and in turn they are rejecting Jesus himself . Jesus is now a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom and putting our trust in that heavenly kingdom is the way to go Daniel 2;44 .


do not allow religious leaders to mislead you to dissmiss fullfilled bible prophecy. make no mistake about it , there is great opposition to the true knowledge that is abundant Daniel 12;4


in this time of the end the things that you mentioned ( trying to be a good person)are all good , but the gathering of people from all nations to welcome Jesus as a newly crowned king , and recognizing just who gave him that kingship is what is going on . REVELATION 7;9-10 and they are all being brought into UNITY of thought and purpose, and they are from ALL NATIONS .and it is VERY GOOD . there is no other way to salvation .

[mee]

[quote=path_of_one;137303] I don't need signs, so I don't bother with them.

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if we didnt need them Jesus would not have bothered making them known , and the bible would not speak about them, its because they are important especially for the times that we live in ,that we need to recognise the signs and act on them . MATTHEW 24;14 how we respond to the GOODNEWS of the kingdom (Daniel 2;44 DANIEL 7;13-14 ) That is being heralded on a global scale is what is important.


do we reject the GOODNEWS , or do we respond to it , its not a case of saying oh i am a christian i try to Do good deeds , its about going along with Gods purpose for the earth and that would include being part of the GREAT CROWDwho are all waving their symbolic palm branches to welcome Gods newly enthorned king REVELATION 7;9-10