Beliefwatch: Blasphemy

[BlaznFattyz]

'Hi my name is Lindy and I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit and you should too.'

With that five-second submission to YouTube, a 24-year-old who uses the name "menotsimple" has either condemned herself to an eternity of punishment in the afterlife or struck a courageous blow against superstition. She's one of more than 400 mostly young people who have joined a campaign by the Web site BlasphemyChallenge.com to stake their souls against the existence of God. That, of course, is the ultimate no-win wager, as the 17th-century French mathematician Blaise Pascal calculated—it can't be settled until you're dead, and if you lose, you go to hell...

Cont'd

[wil]

Originally Posted by Zagreus

I'd like to post a response.
First, a little test.

Your cut and paste function works, post away!

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Zagreus

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I'll get back to you on this one, Z, after about four years of studying Latin.

Unless of course you wish to translate for us unlearned peoples.

[cavalier]

At heart, what they're doing isn't so far removed from saying "Candyman" 5 times. I can't see God condemning them to hell for that alone.

[Dondi]

It matters not that they try and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, the scriptures clearly says:

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18

We are all dead out of the racing gate. Unless we allow God to save us, we will remain that way. It's not a matter of chosing negative, we are already at the negative end of the pole. It is about chosing positive.

[kiwimac]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

'Hi my name is Lindy and I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit and you should too.'

With that five-second submission to YouTube, a 24-year-old who uses the name "menotsimple" has either condemned herself to an eternity of punishment in the afterlife or struck a courageous blow against superstition. She's one of more than 400 mostly young people who have joined a campaign by the Web site BlasphemyChallenge.com to stake their souls against the existence of God. That, of course, is the ultimate no-win wager, as the 17th-century French mathematician Blaise Pascal calculated—it can't be settled until you're dead, and if you lose, you go to hell...

Cont'd

This does not constitute blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is (according to Jesus) knowingly stating the work of the HS to be of Satan.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Zagreus

I'd like to post a response.
First, a little test.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Suspendisse id tellus. Quisque urna massa, facilisis sed, facilisis in, vehicula ut, urna. ...

So far, so good... and no green stuff was spit!

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by pattimax

So far, so good... and no green stuff was spit!

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Zagreus!

Originally Posted by Zagreus

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Thank you for the lesson in Latin. Cicero, is it not?

"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."

Section 1.10.32 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum", written by Cicero in 45 BC

"Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?"

1914 translation by H. Rackham

"But I must explain to you how all this mistaken idea of denouncing pleasure and praising pain was born and I will give you a complete account of the system, and expound the actual teachings of the great explorer of the truth, the master-builder of human happiness. No one rejects, dislikes, or avoids pleasure itself, because it is pleasure, but because those who do not know how to pursue pleasure rationally encounter consequences that are extremely painful. Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it? But who has any right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure that has no annoying consequences, or one who avoids a pain that produces no resultant pleasure?"

Section 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum", written by Cicero in 45 BC

"At vero eos et accusamus et iusto odio dignissimos ducimus qui blanditiis praesentium voluptatum deleniti atque corrupti quos dolores et quas molestias excepturi sint occaecati cupiditate non provident, similique sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollitia animi, id est laborum et dolorum fuga. Et harum quidem rerum facilis est et expedita distinctio. Nam libero tempore, cum soluta nobis est eligendi optio cumque nihil impedit quo minus id quod maxime placeat facere possimus, omnis voluptas assumenda est, omnis dolor repellendus. Temporibus autem quibusdam et aut officiis debitis aut rerum necessitatibus saepe eveniet ut et voluptates repudiandae sint et molestiae non recusandae. Itaque earum rerum hic tenetur a sapiente delectus, ut aut reiciendis voluptatibus maiores alias consequatur aut perferendis doloribus asperiores repellat."

1914 translation by H. Rackham

"On the other hand, we denounce with righteous indignation and dislike men who are so beguiled and demoralized by the charms of pleasure of the moment, so blinded by desire, that they cannot foresee the pain and trouble that are bound to ensue; and equal blame belongs to those who fail in their duty through weakness of will, which is the same as saying through shrinking from toil and pain. These cases are perfectly simple and easy to distinguish. In a free hour, when our power of choice is untrammelled and when nothing prevents our being able to do what we like best, every pleasure is to be welcomed and every pain avoided. But in certain circumstances and owing to the claims of duty or the obligations of business it will frequently occur that pleasures have to be repudiated and annoyances accepted. The wise man therefore always holds in these matters to this principle of selection: he rejects pleasures to secure other greater pleasures, or else he endures pains to avoid worse pains."

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(emphasis mine, -jt3)

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[Ciel]

So, what's it all about Zagreus Taj, we now have the translation, but why?

- c -

[Zagreus]

Kindest Regards, Zagreus!

It was purely technical difficulties, and puzzlement on my part. Sorry for the spam (or Cicero, whatever). lol

When I discovered that this is "dummy text" and that you (as well as many of us) were having difficulties posting, I figured that was the intent and motivation. Still, the translation is intriguing, and I learned a little Cicero. Thanks. Hope the technical difficulties clear up soon, but I'll keep struggling along with the rest of us who feel compelled to speak on issues as they arise.


OHMIGOSH!!! I inadvertantly overwrote your post, Zagreus...I most humbly apologize, it was not intentional. Please forgive my error.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

'Hi my name is Lindy and I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit and you should too.'

With that five-second submission to YouTube, a 24-year-old who uses the name "menotsimple" has either condemned herself to an eternity of punishment in the afterlife or struck a courageous blow against superstition. She's one of more than 400 mostly young people who have joined a campaign by the Web site BlasphemyChallenge.com to stake their souls against the existence of God. That, of course, is the ultimate no-win wager, as the 17th-century French mathematician Blaise Pascal calculated—it can't be settled until you're dead, and if you lose, you go to hell...

Cont'd

Oh, look! She just jumped off the bridge...shall we follow her?