Beholder Of The Eye

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BEHOLDER OF THE EYE [infinite intelligence { inner-knowledge }
how do you see the idea of; ‘super intelligent beings’, or even a super intelligent infinite being?
i saw a science documentary called ‘who are we’, in it were discussed ideas of what we are. mainly the topic was of a matrix style universe, but more interestingly of super intelligent beings that knew the inner workings of the universe in its beginnings. the idea is that whilst the human brain its more or less at its maximum efficient size, intelligence may be improved by linking the brain to vast libraries of information etc. it was proposed that these beings could manipulate the very fabric of existence, essentially creating the universe we now know from the embers of a previous universe - a kind of ‘real’ matrix!?
rather than an alien from a previous universe, why not an infinite version of this ‘matrix’...

infinity matrix
what would be the ultimate super intelligence?
...it would have to be infinite surely! but how can you resolve problems if you know everything already? would infinite intelligence [or the function of] need ignorance to understand what it is to learn? i often wonder if humans are actually super intelligent beings in essence and much of what we actually learn is already within us, or is learned ‘beyond us’ [‘it just came to me’ kind of scenario].
so if there is an infinite intelligence, does it belong to everything - is it the base or source of and the inner most part of all things? {where ‘inner’ doesn’t mean inside]
"an infinite amount of monkeys with typewriters would eventually write Shakespeare"
They would also write absolutely everything that can possibly be written!
the above quote actually portrays aspects concerning the workings of infinity:
the monkeys represent the functions of ‘action’ and of ‘interaction within its sphere’, this ‘act’ blends with the ‘integers of inner knowledge’. firstly i need to explain the latter; we cannot be anything other than external observers, in the sense that we cannot observe the absolute. similarly we cannot see the absolute truth of anything as we are always on the outside of the observation of its inner truth. however infinite intelligence would know everything as we know our own hands - form the internal perspective, the inner sanctum of all natures of existence.
so basically you have information, then something that can observe infinitely [i.e. not from any xyz perspective view, but all at once], and then the capacity to perceive and know. equally you could have something that ‘acts like intelligence’.
without dwelling to much on the monkeys, let us look at what the results concerning such processes of infinite intelligence may be...
we imagine the monkeys all tapping away at their typewriters, and somewhere along the line Shakespeare then the theory of relativity etcetera occur. this is not how such a process would work, all things are observed from the inner perspective without time taking place! i.e. in an absolute zero instance.
would the infinite intellect then have every library of all worlds throughout time?
it would know every event that has occurred and the potentiality of every possible event. it would not work like knowledge works on earth, there would be no explanations of things, just the inner knowledge of the actual rather than observed phenomenon.

so how do you see super intelligence?

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here’s some ideas from another forum you may be interested in [my username there is quetzalcoatl]

so is infinity a singularity in your mind quetzalcoatl? or endless multitudes so to speak

no one knows much about infinity, i have been ‘given’ [or arrived at] one single nugget that; infinity is incomparative, it takes a lot of contemplating to arrive at the place where this means, but valueless [0] is in there somewhere i would think. contrarily of course all things with value arise from it & the place between - or the ‘quantum link’ as we could call it [where all the maths and interaction goes on].
here’s a few other terms that go with it;
stateless = :
timeless
sizeless
dimensionless
valueless
mindless [doesn’t have the quality of mind as such, but like a ‘value’ and everything else it has/is something of which they all are].
ha, try this; zeroless lol

...something that is not even a nothing! [nothing is comparative, not incomparative]

yet it seems that infinity is only really a possibility in a future sense, it cannot be involved with any past events since those events are finite and certain...

past events don’t exist, there is only one universal relativistic moment - remember! there is infinity proper [as appears to interact with the universe in maths etc] and infinity as interactive [with the quantum world]. as soon as we define it as infinity it belongs to ‘the universal’ [the ‘entity’ of] and thence has to interact with the quantum.

dont you think that once a single awareness became in touch with all other forms of awareness in all the worlds in all the places all at once, that the single awareness would simply cease to exist, and it is as it always was.

this takes us to the heart of the paradox, infinity always remains itself, you can keep extrapolating things from it like the singularity the heavens or even infinity - by the latter i mean that as soon as it can be defined as infinity relative to the given then even that is no longer infinity proper [i know it sounds contradictory but it isn’t]. hence when we talk about the integrity of the awareness, we may remember that it may become all things whilst remaining eternally itself. [the very rock of immortality and the eternal perhaps]
so the root of a sentient super intelligence would be its ability to remain without thought, because god forbid if god ever lost his concentration yes?
interesting notion. what would happen if ‘god’ did loose his concentration? for me everything would simply continue as if he didn’t exist - as it does anyhow. ‘he’ remains without thought as such, then when there is thought it is no longer his thought. its kinda like a mother earth aspectation - like giving birth, it primarily beleongs to infinite ‘mind’ then becomes its own entity once manifest.

to be without any Thought makes you a part of everything

i would say so.

[wil]

Secular Philosophy? This is my religion. The problem is we don't take the time to access the knowledge we are to busy living...

worry not about the food you will eat or the clothes you will wear....seek first the kingdom...

but it is a hard row to hoe...instead of being human beings we are human doings

Instead of having the ultimate control realizing we are co-creators, the only begotten continually begotten, we desire to attain a false sense of control in the reality we've created...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by wil

..instead of being human beings we are human doings

like it!! like it a lot...may steal it without warning

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hi wil,
secular it is for me too. human doings! - i liked that one, hits the nail on the head. i wish i could just not have to do stuff, sounds lazy but i like thinking contemplating etc, why are there no universal monasteries.
i don’t think infinite intelligence can necessarily be aligned with god, or if god even has to be involved in the equation. he would be something greater than [the given] surely?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

like it!! like it a lot...may steal it without warning

not mine I know not who it was that it was stolen from when I stole it from the 50th generation of thieves..

[China Cat Sunflower]

If super-intelligence exists, how do we interest it in local relativity? Because it we would of necessity be of a non-localized nature, I'm just wondering how we would entice it into an observer-observed relationship with us. Looked at from our perspective we are the masters in that we determine what manifests by arranging to observe a particular aspect, but from the point of view of infinite intelligence there is no locale. Hmmm...

Chris

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by wil

not mine I know not who it was that it was stolen from when I stole it from the 50th generation of thieves..

Jon Kabat-Zinn has said it for one. Those whose religion is consumerism are required by their faith to be human doers and Kabat-Zinn said that the species would therefore be more appropriately named thus, rather than human beings.

s.

[wil]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

If super-intelligence exists, how do we interest it in local relativity? Because it we would of necessity be of a non-localized nature, I'm just wondering how we would entice it into an observer-observed relationship with us. Looked at from our perspective we are the masters in that we determine what manifests by arranging to observe a particular aspect, but from the point of view of infinite intelligence there is no locale. Hmmm...

Chris

Ask yourself a question as you go to bed, one you have no answer for. Start with easy ones, see if you don't receive the answer in a dream or the next morning while you are taking a shower, or the morning constitutional....this is how it happens for me. The really weird thing is, when I get the answer to the query I posed the night before...when it comes it isn't as if I just learned it, it is as if I knew it all along.

A friend kept seeing a hawk in his dreams, a hawk he saw around his farm regularly. He asked me what I thought...I asked him to try to remember he was dreaming when he saw the hawk, and in the encounter ask the hawk to show something on his farm that he did not know but should be aware of. It took a few dreams before he was able to go lucid and speak to the hawk...but when he did the hawk showed him a fence that needed mending and a vent on the top of his barn that was rusting and in need of repair. When he checked them both out they were correct.

I believe the hawk was representing his higher self which has access to all knowledge. I believe we often do not want to believe this connection so we install intermediaries that are within our realm of acceptability.

I also believe this knowledge of access and creation if grocked fully immediately requires one to take personal responsibility for all one sees...our ego freaks out about this, wants to retain control and blame others for the foibles of our world...and we shut this down as outside our realm of acceptability. Then go back our merry way, "Another beer please, pass me a slice of the pizza. Hey, turn on the game lets see the score!"

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wil

Ask yourself a question as you go to bed, one you have no answer for. Start with easy ones, see if you don’t receive the answer in a dream or the next morning while you are taking a shower, or the morning constitutional....this is how it happens for me. The really weird thing is, when I get the answer to the query I posed the night before...when it comes it isn’t as if I just learned it, it is as if I knew it all along.

far out! thats just how i do it too, and why i believe in the inner deity, it is as if we already know everything all we have to do is find a way to the knowledge, nothing is learned. perhaps sleep connects us to the universal infinite intellect which belongs to know one yet is part of all.

I believe the hawk was representing his higher self which has access to all knowledge. I believe we often do not want to believe this connection so we install intermediaries that are within our realm of acceptability.

interesting story and notion there wil, perhaps even if we do want to believe it is a matter of language? the very nature of our language and structure of meanings would be completely different to the infinite and the universal, what then is the best universal medium for expressing meanings - it must be pictorial surely.

I also believe this knowledge of access and creation if grocked fully immediately requires one to take personal responsibility for all one sees
i see, like if we knew everything we would have no excuses.

i agree, but i wonder if it is more a case of not being able to link fully - we only see it in its aspects. perhaps to link fully would be to see the tao, in other words ‘to see all is to see no particular thing’! [did i just make that one up lol].

[wil]

Originally Posted by _Z_

wil

far out! thats just how i do it too, and why i believe in the inner deity....‘to see all is to see no particular thing’! [did i just make that one up lol].

like I said, this is my church!

our mission is to teach that their is a power within each of us that is far greater than anything that exists outside of us.

Sleep, not always required for access to the infinite...meditation, contemplation and I'll get the insights while driving, showering or on the can....when the eye is singular...when you are not focused on everything, just being....or

to see all is to see no particular thing...

good stuff that addresses the it's all good concept that the infinite has (in my mind) the nonduality...the eachness of the allness...knowing the macro is in the micro and tother way round as well.

when you are at the unaffected level....the problems disappear...imagine that...or let go and let G!d....

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this is my church

ah i see ‘this’ meaning ‘you’ or perhaps ‘you in the house’, where the house may represent any given kind of abode from infinite intelligence to universal being, or just a magical place etc.

our mission is to teach that their is a power within each of us that is far greater than anything that exists outside of us.

‘what is within is without’, in the same manner for the saying; ‘as above so below’, there is a point at which what is within is also without - at the centre perhaps.

Sleep, not always required for access to the infinite...

sure thing, usually any kind of unfocusing allows stuff to flow into us.

the it’s all good concept that the infinite has (in my mind) the nonduality...the eachness of the allness...knowing the macro is in the micro and tother way round as well.

absolutely; macro-micro, inner-outer, above-below, for each force there is an equal and opposing force etc. its all universal balance.

when you are at the unaffected level

to me this is what revelations mean, cycles, death and adversity become flaccid and ineffectual once you know them and what is beyond e.g. if you know that there is life after death then death no longer actually exists.