Baha'i and Matrixism?

[DynoMight]

You missed my point Scott. What I said is that in the future if the Baha'i Faith grows into the major world religion there will be large and healthy splinters groups most probably based on some of the many baha'i splinter groups that already exists. This could very well not come to pass though as the roles of the Baha'i Faith are in fact dwindling.

As for Matrixism right now it seems to be experiencing rather rapid growth and this while still awaiting a prophet and a book. If the Jedi religion is any indication the ranks of Matrixism could swell significantly in the next 20 years or so.

ps - "matrixism" as you write it should correctly be capitalized (Matrixism)

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by DynoMight

You missed my point Scott. What I said is that in the future if the Baha'i Faith grows into the major world religion there will be large and healthy splinters groups most probably based on some of the many baha'i splinter groups that already exists. This could very well not come to pass though as the roles of the Baha'i Faith are in fact dwindling.

As for Matrixism right now it seems to be experiencing rather rapid growth and this while still awaiting a prophet and a book. If the Jedi religion is any indication the ranks of Matrixism could swell significantly in the next 20 years or so.

ps - "matrixism" as you write it should correctly be capitalized (Matrixism)

I'm sorry, but you missed my point. The tendency is for the Baha`i Faith to integrate, not disintegrate. In that process it has overcome much more rigorous challenges than "Matrixism".

Regards,
Scott

[BruceDLimber]

Dyno, hi.

OF COURSE there will be more Messengers, and every Bahai' stipulates this!

But as Baha'u'llah Himself said, none will appear for at least a (literal) millenium (now down to about 860 years).

And what you consistently overlook or ignore is that no further Guardian was possible because: 1) another Guardian would have had to be a literal descendant of Baha'u'llah (and no descendant was a Baha'i and therefore eligible) and 2) Shoghi Effendi himself would have had to appoint such an individual, which he did not because he could not, no one being eligible. So there was no choice but for the succession to end if the Covenant was to be obeyed.

And as to "matrixism," its own fruits condemn it!: any religion promoting drug use has already condemned itself. End of story.

Peace,

Bruce

[BuzzLY]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

And as to "matrixism," its own fruits condemn it!: any religion promoting drug use has already condemned itself. End of story.

Peace,

Bruce

"You're condemned! Peace. " That's pretty funny.

Just out of curiosity are you condemning the many denominations of Christianity that use alcohol as sacrament also?

[arthra]

Originally Posted by BuzzLY

"You're condemned! Peace. " That's pretty funny.

Just out of curiosity are you condemning the many denominations of Christianity that use alcohol as sacrament also?

Hey Buzzly!

I think the sensitivities of some of us Baha'is were aroused by this thread because it alleged some connections between our Faith and Matrixism. Bruce is probably reacting to that and he will of course speak for himself....but no Baha'is don't condemn Christians for their use of wine in the sacrament.

- Art

[Popeyesays]

Christians do not use communion to alter their state of consciousness through getting drunk. If you get a buzz on to pray or meditate then it isn't just the Baha`i Faith that condemns it but also Islam.

If it is to make one inebriated or in a drugged state to attain a better communion with God, then it is against the Baha`i guidance that man's state of consciousness is created PERFECT for communion with God.

Dyno is gone, by the way, Bruce.

Regards,
Scott

[Popeyesays]

Probably the best thing to do is cite where Baha`u'llah forbids alcohol and quote it. It's brief:

""Beware lest ye exchange the Wine of God for your own
wine, for it [your own wine]will stupefy your minds, and turn your faces away from the Countenance of God, the All-Glorious, the Peerless,
the Inaccessible. Approach it not, for it hath been forbidden unto
you by the behest of God, the Exalted, the Almighty."

(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 227)

Both Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian have interpreted this to mean a
prohibition on all forms of alcohol except for medicinal purposes. It's pretty unequivocal.

The injunction against drugs is in the same vein.

Simply put if Matrixis says Abdu'l Baha or Baha`u'llah advocate drugs and alcohol for religious purpose it's an out and out lie.

Regards,
Scott

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Dyno is gone, by the way, Bruce.

Or back with a new name...right Buzz?

[I, Brian]

Watched "The Matrix" again on Saturday - still a great film.

Something I'm not sure I understand in this thread, and DynoMight's position, is how the Baha'i faith fits in with his Matrix worldview?

I would have thought the Matrix had much more in common with Timothy Leary than Baha'u'llah??

[BuzzLY]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Or back with a new name...right Buzz?

Wrong.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by BuzzLY

Wrong.

Okay, you're not DynoMight.

Now do you have comment on the quote against alcohol that I posted? Can it be construed in anyway to support the notion that Baha`u'llah told Baha`is that alcohol was not allowed?

re-post:
"Beware lest ye exchange the Wine of God for your own
wine, for it [your own wine]will stupefy your minds, and turn your faces away from the Countenance of God, the All-Glorious, the Peerless,
the Inaccessible. Approach it not, for it hath been forbidden unto
you by the behest of God, the Exalted, the Almighty."

(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 227)


Reards,
Scott

[BuzzLY]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Now do you have comment on the quote against alcohol that I posted?

Not really.

[BuzzLY]

To infinity and beyond!

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by BuzzLY

"You're condemned! Peace. " That's pretty funny.

Just out of curiosity are you condemning the many denominations of Christianity that use alcohol as sacrament also?

lmao.... Go buzzy, go buzzy...