Are atheists shallow?

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

Originally Posted by Saponification

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What does that mean?

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

when you have faith in a God everything becomes more meaningful, suddenly everything can be justified right or wrong on a higher level.

That's a bit worrying.

Originally Posted by Postmaster

although this may sound judgmental , but I prefer say more opinionated I believe maybe atheists are more shallow but then again, it's one of those things that you can't talk for everyone and talking broad and general.

You are well entitled to your opinion and I admire your honesty, but you haven't really made a case. What I understand is,

• that you think it's difficult to believe in god/s
• atheists don't believe in gods
• atheists are therfore shallow

Not entirely convincing. Since your claim that faith is difficult is debatable there is no argument here unless you can show this to be true.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts though.

[Postmaster]

Not entirely convincing. Since your claim that faith is difficult is debatable there is no argument here unless you can show this to be true.

That's the thing you see, atheists need to see proof and clear cut evidence for something to be perceived as correct. We all have a purpose, to an atheist the purpose of person is to reproduce? Whereas to a believer in a creator the purpose of a person doesn't have any limits.

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

That's the thing you see, atheists need to see proof and clear cut evidence for something to be perceived as correct. We all have a purpose, to an atheist the purpose of person is to reproduce? Whereas to a believer in a creator the purpose of a person doesn't have any limits.

Evidence supporting a claim is a base requirment for most people I presume. Would you be happy to accept any wierd or wonderful statement on faith?

Re purpose: Personally, I do not see purpose in living organisms any more than I see in the rocks and the oceans. Differing degrees of chemical complexity I do see, and in the case of 'living' chemical systems the tendency to replicate.

So far, Postmaster, you've asked whether atheists are shallow. I said no more than any other section of society. You then said you thought they were. I pointed out you made no case.

I still feel that you haven't brougt anything to this thread meriting the conclusion that atheists are shallow, or any more so than any other definable section of society.

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

That's the thing you see, atheists need to see proof and clear cut evidence for something to be perceived as correct.

I am sure that even the religious mind will require proof for your sweeping, discriminatory statements.

[Postmaster]

Evidence supporting a claim is a base requirment for most people I presume. Would you be happy to accept any wierd or wonderful statement on faith?

I am sure that even the religious mind will require proof for your sweeping, discriminatory statements.

Wheres the proof of God? In ones heart?

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

I agree entirely, the proof of God is in the heart.

However, since you are not god, your proof needs to be more tangible.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

That's the thing you see, atheists need to see proof and clear cut evidence for something to be perceived as correct. We all have a purpose, to an atheist the purpose of person is to reproduce? Whereas to a believer in a creator the purpose of a person doesn't have any limits.

First off, Everyone (with the exeption of you i guess) needs some kind of proof to believe what they believe. Every one here be they atheist or religious has some kind of "proof" supporting their beliefs.

Secondly, let me explain to you what I, being an atheist, believe. I do not believe that my only purpose on this planet is to reproduce. I believe that it is my purpose to enjoy the time I've got on this planet, and to help the world become a better place for future generations. you obviously haven't taken any time out of your life to get to know very many atheists, you simply based your conclusions on your ignorance.

[Postmaster]

Secondly, let me explain to you what I, being an atheist, believe. I do not believe that my only purpose on this planet is to reproduce. I believe that it is my purpose to enjoy the time I've got on this planet, and to help the world become a better place for future generations. you obviously haven't taken any time out of your life to get to know very many atheists, you simply based your conclusions on your ignorance.

Not all atheists think a like or like you, apart from one thing you all have in common the idea that no greater being exists (something you can't even prove). Why am I ignorant? Fair enough if you were a skeptic but for

Someone who believes that there is no God.
www.abdn.ac.uk/philosophy/guide/glossary.shtml

makes you just as bad as me from the way you are putting things

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

Im afraid I dont understand how a glossary of philosophical terminology is relevant or demonstrates how anyone is "just as bad as you"

[Jeff]

while yes some atheist do beleive that we exist to reproduce, they are a very small minority, most athiests i know, which happens to be qutie a few, belong to a group that believes that everyone should enjoy life as much as possible for the short time we have to do so. while you may deem such a simple idea shallow, i cant think of a better reason to live.

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

During my time as an Atheist, I did not believe that life of any form had any purpose whatsoever. Sentience was a fluke. I considered myself very lucky to be what I was and chose how to live my life based on my own personal morals.

[Freedom of Opinion]

Sorry to jump in the thread late, but I'm still not understanding how not believing in a god makes us(atheist) shallow? There are "shallow" and "deep" people in all aspects of life. How can not believing in something classifiy us as shallow? Personaly, I feel most atheists are not shallow, as it takes years and much research into other options before one can totally believe that there is no god. The only way to truly have faith in your own beliefs is to learn of the oppisite (sp) belief. I'm sorry, but I have to agree that you are simply sterotyping atheists.

[Paladin]

I suppose if atheists are shallow that would mean some of the greatest minds of our time were shallow as well. Freud was an atheist, and I wonder what he could make of this kind of question? Surely the intent of even asking is an attempt at a "better than/less than" proposition. How could a win/lose proposition ever have a chance at uncovering a deep truth? The answer is that it cannot. If we would posit the existence of a loving, kind, all knowing, all present, Divine Source of all creation, then pointing fingers and saying this is bad, but I am good is completely antithetical.

Peace

Mark

[Saponification]

Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

What does that mean?

It's programming speak. Don't worry, it means I'm quoting what you said for emphasis.