Applied Anthropology

[Tao_Equus]

Hi

The mythos is no mythos but the simple synchronicity of Gaia at thought

Was browsing and found this NG article relating to the subject:
First Wine? Archaeologist Traces Drink to Stone Age

TE

[juantoo3]

He calls it the Noah Hypothesis, as it suggests a single locality for an ancestor grape, much as the Eve Hypothesis claims that human ancestry can be genetically traced to a single African mother. In the Bible, Noah landed on the slopes of Mount Ararat (in what is now eastern Turkey) after the Flood. He is described as immediately planting grapevines and making wine.

Neolithic eastern and southeastern Turkey seems to have been fertile ground for the birth of agriculture. "Einkorn wheat appears to have been domesticated there, one of the so-called Neolithic founder plants—the original domesticated plants that led to people settling down and building towns," McGovern explained. "So all the pieces are there for early domestication of the grape."

So cool....!

Link to Dr. McGovern's site:

“The Origins and Ancient History of Wine”@ University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology

Thanks Tao Equus!

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, flow!

Originally Posted by flowperson

As regards your question pertaining to the genetic tracing of speciation, there have been several excellent articles in the Times concerning the genetic studies that have led to the currently acccepted "out of Africa" presumption about the origins of modern human beings. The conclusions based upon genetic analyses are that the modern female version of our species preceeded the male of our species by several thousand years, and that the male/female community of modern humans emerged in the south east of Africa about 100,000 years ago. Estimates are that all modern humans evolved from an original population of about 5,000 individuals whose progeny eventually migrated throughout the world over the millenia.

Boy would I love to see the source papers for that. Are you aware that Mitochondrial genetics are only half of the story? The Paternal line can be traced too...the primary reason so many researchers focus on Mito. stuff is because it is easier to extract and work with (reproduce samples). The Paternal stuff leads back to an Adam, I am not sure that Mitochondrial is the proper term. (If I am not mistaken, mitochondria are a small portion of a cell, apparently where the "female" genetics is most easily retrieved, I am not certain where the "male" genetics is most easily retrieved).

Originally Posted by flowperson

As far as the corn thingey goes, I have read in various works regarding the ancient Middle East that "corn" was a general term to describe cultivated grain in ancient times. I've also run across graphic depictions of Jesus making his way through fields of corn. These depictions were/are of Templar origins and are connected with the Order of Sion. So we're both right on point here, but the generic use of the term goes back much farther to my recollection.

Hadn't heard association with the Knights Templars in this context before...OK.

Originally Posted by flowperson

There've been several articles online recently regarding the excavation of a royal cemetery there that's supposed to be the earliest yet found in the S. Pacific. They're finding headless skeletons with the skulls buried separately in jars.

Very ancient tribal burials in the Near East and Iran (8-10,000 yrs ago) are also largely "jar" burials with intact skeletons. It's interesting that some cultures take great pains to separate the head from the body in death and some do not, especially when it comes to the powerful.

Hmmm, interesting, in light of the Egyptian process during mummification of extracting the various organs and placing them in separate "jars."

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

Yes, I do see a number of physiological inconsistencies regarding human development compared with, say, chimpanzees. While an interesting argument is laid out as to how "man" developed on the savannas of Africa in the book "the Naked Ape," one thing continues to puzzle me.

Why, if we are "carnivores," have our canine teeth grown smaller, while "herbivore" (or at best omnivore) chimpanzees have canine teeth that rival many dogs, and could rip us to shreds. I have long thought that a curious "evolutionary" development.

Some of the women I've dated have canines that could rip us to shreds

I don't know Juan. There are lots of questions without apparent answers.
In the mean time I have a steak mooing on my plate, so I'm gonna go and rip it to shreds...

v/r

Joshua

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Q!

Originally Posted by Quahom1

There are lots of questions without apparent answers.

How true! I still think it is...umm, difficult?...to understand that some one narrow strand of the ape family through some accident of environment stumbled through a door into consciousness and "enlightenment," and no other creatures in that same environment went through the same or similar transformation. I still find it bordering on incredible that humans have been seeking spiritual things for as long as we have been human, that there must be something "real" we cannot see but rather intuit. That something must exist, else why expend countless generations of energy looking to it?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

How true! I still think it is...umm, difficult?...to understand that some one narrow strand of the ape family through some accident of environment stumbled through a door into consciousness and "enlightenment," and no other creatures in that same environment went through the same or similar transformation. I still find it bordering on incredible that humans have been seeking spiritual things for as long as we have been human, that there must be something "real" we cannot see but rather intuit. That something must exist, else why expend countless generations of energy looking to it?

I'll tell you something. I have degrees in physics, criminal psychology, sociology, criminal justice. I speak several languages fluently, I've been around this world four times over. I've been shot at, I've shot at, helped and have been helped, hurt and have been hurt...and what I learned through it all is this: There is no other animal on earth that thinks or acts the way we do. There is no other animal on earth who can make friends with every other animal on earth. There is no other animal on earth that can bring out the absolute rage of every other animal on earth.

Man, is one of a kind, but he didn't come about by natural selection...somebody had a hand in it...

v/r

Joshua

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Man, is one of a kind, but he didn't come about by natural selection...somebody had a hand in it...

There certainly does seem to be a whole lot of circumstantial evidence pointing in that general direction, huh?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

There certainly does seem to be a whole lot of circumstantial evidence pointing in that general direction, huh?

...more than makes me comfortable to attempt to disregard...

[flowperson]

The Elohim said/wrote this (or something near to this) as recounted in early versions of the Hebrew texts.

Come, let us go down and create beings in our image and likeness.

flow....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

The Elohim said/wrote this (or something near to this) as recounted in early versions of the Hebrew texts.

Come, let us go down and create beings in our image and likeness.

flow....

...then God spoke, and life began...

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Flow!

Originally Posted by flowperson

The Elohim said/wrote this (or something near to this) as recounted in early versions of the Hebrew texts.

Come, let us go down and create beings in our image and likeness.

OK.

So then...did the Elohim land in their space craft, do a little genetic manipulation on a batch of proto-apes, create a proto-homo, and turn him/her/them loose...then step back to observe? Adam, Eve, Eden.

I ask only a little bit tongue in cheek...I've got a pretty good idea what the general consensus is. (Which is why I seldom broach the subject... )

Perhaps the Neandertal are a failed experiment? Perhaps Adam lived for thousands of years before eating of the tree of knowledge and being cursed with death? Perhaps along with the opening of the door to knowledge of good and evil (morality in the more human sense) came the burden of knowledge for agriculture and animal husbandry, city building, arts and sciences and all that makes for what we call civilization? Perhaps G-d intended for us to be(come) addicted to the opioids in grains and cereals?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Flow!

OK.

So then...did the Elohim land in their space craft, do a little genetic manipulation on a batch of proto-apes, create a proto-homo, and turn him/her/them loose...then step back to observe? Adam, Eve, Eden.

I ask only a little bit tongue in cheek...I've got a pretty good idea what the general consensus is. (Which is why I seldom broach the subject... )

Perhaps the Neandertal are a failed experiment? Perhaps Adam lived for thousands of years before eating of the tree of knowledge and being cursed with death? Perhaps along with the opening of the door to knowledge of good and evil (morality in the more human sense) came the burden of knowledge for agriculture and animal husbandry, city building, arts and sciences and all that makes for what we call civilization? Perhaps G-d intended for us to be(come) addicted to the opioids in grains and cereals?

Well Juan, let me ask you something. How long do you think it would take you, to name every species, genus etc., on earth?

Even though it took God about 15 seconds to have that little fact of Adam's first job explained biblically, I got a funny feeling that it took Adams a bit longer to do the actual naming...

What to you think? Oh, the bible says Adam lived 900 and some odd years. But it doesn't say when he was removed from the garden...On the other hand we know Adam named the animals before...he was banned
just some thoughts.

v/r

Joshua

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Q!

I had always thought the span of Adam's life to have been counted from the fall, that whatever transpired before (including how old Eve was) was not recorded as they two were created to live forever. The countdown of age did not start until death entered the picture, so to speak.

Then again, I may totally misunderstand.

That happens a lot, when trying to harmonize religious mythos with scientific mythos, by adding a generous dash at times of really weird sounding chords that seem to be from out of nowhere.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

Yes, I do see a number of physiological inconsistencies regarding human development compared with, say, chimpanzees. While an interesting argument is laid out as to how "man" developed on the savannas of Africa in the book "the Naked Ape," one thing continues to puzzle me.

Why, if we are "carnivores," have our canine teeth grown smaller, while "herbivore" (or at best omnivore) chimpanzees have canine teeth that rival many dogs, and could rip us to shreds. I have long thought that a curious "evolutionary" development.

Do you think that perhaps the development of speech might have something to do with that? Have you ever tried to speak with "vampire fangs" in your mouth on Halloween? "I vant to shuck youw bloog!" Maybe it was a matter that when we first started talking that the canine teeth got in way of clear speech and therefore got smaller.

[Dondi]

Well Juan, let me ask you something. How long do you think it would take you, to name every species, genus etc., on earth?

Even though it took God about 15 seconds to have that little fact of Adam's first job explained biblically, I got a funny feeling that it took Adams a bit longer to do the actual naming...

What to you think? Oh, the bible says Adam lived 900 and some odd years. But it doesn't say when he was removed from the garden...On the other hand we know Adam named the animals before...he was banned
just some thoughts.

Well, biblically speaking, looking at the chronology of Adam, he and Eve did not have children until after they were booted out of Eden. And in chapter 5, we have Adam bearing Seth at the age of 130. Figuring that Cain slew his brother Abel as a young man (sibling rivalry as it is, we'll say anywhere between 18-30), this means that Adam had roughly a little over 100 years maximum to name all the animals.