An Ideal Islamic World

[China Cat Sunflower]

Let's say that pragmatism is no obstacle. Imagine an ideal pan national Islamic unity... What does it look like? What does Islam look like in a modern golden age? What would you like it to be?

Chris

[Tao_Equus]

It would be a totalitarian hell. I would like it to never happen.

[Alex P]

Ok, I'll go with a world of Islam.... But, which following? Pragmatism... Is an obstacle lol.... People cannot get over this.

I think, (to me) that is like saying an ideal Christian world... Well, is it possible? As there are so many that claim to be of one religion... Yet their views vaules and beliefs differ, and if left to man alone... Even under the same banner, we see that we fail to unite, always discrimination(to a degree. which isn't of our religions.)

Even in the same groups... Some follow these hadiths, but not these ones... And with the hadiths, there is NO harmony lol.... They differ so much. I think it was all going just dandy until the death of Muhammad (saws) This is where you get the blood-line, voting issue.

Anyway, less of that, any sunni Muslims here? Would you beleive you could make an ideal world? If it were just you and the Shi-te Muslims? (vice versa) Harmony and no bloodshed?

But yeah sure, if we say pragmatism isn't an issue, then yes it would be perfect.... Peace, no war, brotherly Love, devotion to a god and all would be of charitable notions, not self. Which is the obvious answer, if everyone agreed, then you'd expect that.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Alex P

But yeah sure, if we say pragmatism isn't an issue, then yes it would be perfect.... Peace, no war, brotherly Love, devotion to a god and all would be of charitable notions, not self. Which is the obvious answer, if everyone agreed, then you'd expect that.

No way. If all people agreed there would be something fundamentally wrong. We would be living in a world of zombies.

[Alex P]

To agree, doesn't mean to lose individuality.....

I agree it is fun to come to this site!! So much to learn and can share opinions...... I am a half assed, lazy, stoner....

*random name* Dauer... Agrees that this site is fun, and educational and a great place to share his views.... He is gonna be a freaking rabbi one day..... (I am certain he'd agree with that statement sorry first name that came to head)

Way different characters.... But an agreement...

So to all agree would cause peace there isn't anything to argue.... But anyway I feel that is what would happen...

[wil]

Oh if we ignored the sects, and lived the pillars...utopia!

[Dawud]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Let's say that pragmatism is no obstacle. Imagine an ideal pan national Islamic unity... What does it look like? What does Islam look like in a modern golden age? What would you like it to be?

Chris

If everyone was truly Muslim, meaning in submission to the will of God, we'd all be angels and it would be Paradise right here right now all the time forever. (If everyone was truly Christian, it would be the same.) If everyone truly followed their Prophets, we'd be perfect.... it would be a perfect world.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

It would be a totalitarian hell. I would like it to never happen.

False. The Qur'an expressly forbids having dictators between a person and Allah (swt). Per the Qur'an I think it is evident that the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not a totalitarian dictator.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

False. The Qur'an expressly forbids having dictators between a person and Allah (swt). Per the Qur'an I think it is evident that the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not a totalitarian dictator.

Thats right, he didnt like little girls either.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Thats right, he didnt like little girls either.

You demand an alleged scientific proof, yet you freely assert without one.

[Alex P]

I think Tao is more along the lines of he believes historically there was such a person, but not all the spiritual "stuff".... Dunno, just while he ain't here I thought I'd answer for him lol... (bit like me and jesus/messiah) I am -guessing- lol.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Alex P

I think Tao is more along the lines of he believes historically there was such a person, but not all the spiritual "stuff".... Dunno, just while he ain't here I thought I'd answer for him lol... (bit like me and jesus/messiah) I am -guessing- lol.

Do you likewise think Jesus or Muhammad (pbut) were for a totalitarian government?

[Dawud]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Do you likewise think Jesus or Muhammad (pbut) were for a totalitarian government?

Of course They would not support tyranny. Some governments claim to follow a particular religion but don't actually practice it. There are tyrants who claim to be religious. They are not.

[Dawud]

"Let there be no compulsion in religion." -the Qur'an.

How many dictators ignore this verse? Religious liberty is Islamic. Denying religious liberty is not. Tyranny will fall and there will be religious liberty for everyone.... In EVERY country.

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Do you likewise think Jesus or Muhammad (pbut) were for a totalitarian government?

Nope... They are good teachers.