Amazing--Spiritual Genius

[flowperson]

Hi All:

This is a phenomenon that is taking hold among the younger generations. I have experienced some of it and so have my children. It is a sort of amplification of human abilities to envision alternative realities and to render them into understandable works of interpretive artistic importance, be they writings, graphics, music etc.

IMHO, this is intensifying with the succeding generations as time goes on and may be an aspect of the "Indigo Children" phenomenon. This may also be a driver for chemical addictions as some who wish to emulate these inborn talents of a select few try to induce altered states and unique visioning by taking drugs, etc. My two cents.

flow....

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Francis king

well, looked at the pictures, and didnt believe they were hers, to be honest... wondered if her mother or father was doing the pictures, so I went and looked at her life history...

the kid rises at 4am 5-6 days a week, and paints for about 5 hours a day...

if the kid has been hothoused, deliberately, then by the age she is now yes, she should be a competent artist... I am also worried that her artworks look like Awake! covers and feel she may be given subjects to copy which okay, is difficult, but not as difficult as working from scratch.

I believe this to be the case because...

if u look at her six year old stuff, and her most recent stuff, there is not much in the way of change. If she was a naturally talented artist there would be some variation in her style, she would not be happy to churn out the same themes over and over again, she would naturally experiment. All artists do this, while they develop, children or adults, and I am not seeing anything which suggests that she is growing into her talent... from age six to now, the style, the technique, the use of colour, it is the same.

I also base my opinion that she has been hothoused on her life history.

Look at her earliest work. Yes, the average four year old child would not be able to draw like that, as they do not have the motor skills, and that's why we give them chubby crayons and let them do fingerpainting. They havent established the neural connectivity needed to put what they see on paper accurately yet, and as they develop their reproductive abilities become greater.

Fortunately, the average four year old doesnt get up at 4am and draw for five hours.

Faces and hands and feet are the most difficult for artists to recreate, yet, if you practise copying faces hands and feet over and over again then although on day one it will look like a rabbits foot instead of a maidens toe, by day 100, practising five hours a day six days a week you will be able to competently present a perfectly formed foot... if you don't believe me, try it urself, see what happens... If you add some parental praise to the mix, tell the child they are talented and special, they will believe this, and seek to make their parents/caregivers happy...

If you deliberately hothouse children, you can create child prodigies. The only problem with deliberately creating these child prodigies is, unless they have some unnatural talent, their genius will tail off...

and I think that for this kid, the genius is going to wear off at about 16, and she'll probably have a nervous breakdown or become a rock and roll rebel...

each to their own, though, hey..?

Having married 2 artists, the 2nd of which had a style very like this girl, I have to say I am in complete agreement with you Francis. Her poetry also can easily be veiwed in a similar context. Perhaps even greater than her ability to paint and write she has learned to please. I hope if this is the case then its for the carrot.
It seems to me that America has a taste at present for creating these little child prodigies. Something I think we over the pond here in the UK find at best bizarre and often outright sick.

TE

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Hi All:

This is a phenomenon that is taking hold among the younger generations.

LMMFAO.... The kid can paint... Whoopty freaking do....

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

LMMFAO.... The kid can paint... Whoopty freaking do....

Thbbt. What a room full of Debbie Downers, man. Listen to her speak. Something is there.

I think Francis is on to something, though. The kid very well may be on a fast track to pigeon-holing. Her paintings do seem to be on a theme, and I think the real danger towards her getting "stuck" in a certain mode of self-expression is the limiting framework of "Christianity." Someday that bubble will either pop because it's not big enough to contain her spirit and vision, or it will stretch and invite many other traditions in. If it pops rather than stretches, then yeah, along the way she might flip out for a while, get a tattoo and a nosering, drop out of society to grow hemp and make her own paper, and just generally become something besides the little darling of White America that she is now. That ain't a bad thing.

On the other hand, if she's nurutured in an environment that aligns with who she is and what she embodies, things might not be quite as bumpy. Maybe as she develops healthily, Jesus will not be a white man but a colorful woman.

[Postmaster]

Yeah I wouldn't say she’s doing anymore then painting, it’s not rare to find an extraordinary talent even at that young age. Great imagination with her paintings that she dreams up but even I remember dreaming of monkeys with angel wings at the age of 3, and still have no idea why I've remembered that dream all my life quite bizarre but human nature I guess?

[17th Angel]

Sorry brah, just there is nothing there.... She is a good artist that is it in my eyes, she hasn't a divine gift... She isn't a messenger of the gods or an angel or some super human... She just paints... What she want a medal?

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Sorry brah, just there is nothing there.... She is a good artist that is it in my eyes, she hasn't a divine gift... She isn't a messenger of the gods or an angel or some super human... She just paints... What she want a medal?

I don't know that she wants anything.

What do you want?



Anyhow, I wanted to share the video because she just really struck me as tuned-in, if you will. I mean, when I was 10-12, I wasn't that productive, and I definitely was not that self-assured.

I think she's admirable is all. No one here is trying to get her another interview, a book deal, or sainted.

Peace,
P

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Pathless

I don't know that she wants anything.

What do you want?

To see how low I can go... Come on how low can you go? All the way to flo? Can you bring it to top? An never eva stap?!

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

To see how low I can go... Come on how low can you go? All the way to flo? Can you bring it to top? An never eva stap?!

Ermmm are you drunk 17th?

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

To see how low I can go... Come on how low can you go? All the way to flo? Can you bring it to top? An never eva stap?!

Been down to the flo' and back up in the sky eatin' beans and rice
made me shake my t'ing I got so high high high and
back down tho to the flo' y'all
to the beat y'all
diggin' a ditch y'all it was a bitch y'all
so I's went home and watched me some kids in the hall

...any questions?

[flowperson]

The real problem here guys is that certain people cannot fathom the mystic or those that touch it. That is where this comes from. Yeah...she can paint, but what makes her visions unique to her experiences and translates that into a talent to present it to others in understandable graphic formats?

As for monkeys with wings, rent a copy of The Wizard of Oz and watch what happens when the wicked witch of the west sends them after dorothy and her buddies. Maybe you saw the film once too often PM.

flow....

[Tao_Equus]

But Flow are they that ?

To me they are art school taught realism that any competant could learn in a relatively short time. They only achieve anything other than that competance because she is a young girl who is wrapping it in spiritual clothing.

It may seem overly sceptical to you but I really dont see anything other than a normal little girl that has been schooled to perform. As I said in my last post on this page this seems to be an American phenomenon that has come about in recent years and to me its a rather startling and sad reflection on your society. She shows no independant thoughts in her work. Everything is typical of american religious/spiritual/mystical pamphlet art in this era. And her words are likewise.

I dont doubt that she is a highly inteligent little girl, and that she has great potential. But I cant help but worry about her. Kids that are pushed too fast often end up with servere problems. I hope she will not.

TE

[Miss Amy]

Ok I am going to throw in my two sense worth...

I make my living with children. I love their optimism, their honestly and above all I love that they are learning... all the time.

If I were to take one of the children in my centre and decide that they had a "talent" be it art, acting, singing or so on; I could turn them into a prodigy as well.

Think of it... we could all me competent athletes or singers with a small amount of natural talent and a lot of pushing. I am concerened with what this does to all of our kids. Does she get to stop painting when she wants to. Is she really happy to get up at five in the morning. Are her parents pushing her. Someone has to be feeding her a lot of this stuff. Do you think that she was painting Jesus before someone told her who he was... most likely she was spoonfed a lot of inormation first.

I am not negating the beauty of her talent... only the systems we have in place that believe that a talent needs to be expoited and not just let to grow wild.

This is heated for me... I see this type of pushing all the time and it makes unhappy-sheltered children.

[flowperson]

TE
I can only speak from my life experiences.

I'll grant you, American parents can be very obsessive-compulsive in trying to live the lives that they missed out on through their kids. What you speak to smacks of that.

But I have seen the phenomenon I speak of up close and personal...unschooled people producing profound works of artistic worth without repetetive drilling and schooling. It just seems to happen and comes forth.

That, my friend, is not explanable other than through the phenomenon which I am addressing. Artistic talent and the inspiration to create original work cannot be taught per se...one can only be led to the process. But the necessary mental-manual skills and visionary interpretive talents are not mechanical in their use and applications, they are emotional more than anything else. When one becomes immersed in such experiences they become more automatic than anything else. The spirit/muse speaks and demonstrates and the interpreter communicates what is understood into an artistic medium.

There is a distinction here between what this single girl has done, and what original artistic processes are in their nature. I'll grant you that her situation may be bogus...most things on video are. It's a "selling" medium for most people who create it and view it. My own experiences have taught me the differences. And I would venture a guess that the artwork placed on the walls of the caves of France 30,000 years ago are due to the processes that I have addressed. To me they were produced through a spiritual process...hers may or may not have been.

What I'm getting at here is that certain people are moving back towards the older processes in creating original art works, and IMHO, it's not accidental,

flow....

[Postmaster]

Originally Posted by flowperson

As for monkeys with wings, rent a copy of The Wizard of Oz and watch what happens when the wicked witch of the west sends them after dorothy and her buddies. Maybe you saw the film once too often PM.

flow....

Exactly, in this girls case she claims it to be a gift from God.