Alternate Realities/Alternate Universes

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by granni

precious Q......

this is probably quite basic and simplistic to you........ however, the gravity pushing rather than pulling has me boonswaggled.

ifin it pushes.... why are we somewhat glued to the outter face of this planet?

i can grasp that concept relative to the planets orbiting the sun.... yet, i feel it's a mutual push-pull cooperation going on.

and, you know people.... they can't cooperate 'bout much of anything. so, that's not what's preventing us from becoming instant space-men...er, women.

will you please continue with the 'gravity pushes' concept?

granni

Ok Granni,



This is my take on the issue of gravity:



Suppose we agree that space exerts a type of universal "pressure" in all directions simultaneously.



Now add a single body into the equation. A compacted bit of matter. Do not add intertia to the body, do not spin the body (it is simply suspended in the middle of space). With the exception of the localized area where the body is imbedded in the middle of the fabric of space, time is not distorted, nor is space warped. The body of matter goes nowhere because of the equal pressure placed upon it from all directions. (Remember I'm suggesting that the universal pressure is equal from every point, and is constant).



Now add a second body into the equation, again do not add intertia to the body, do not spin the body, but let it be suspended in the middle of space. Only now it is not in the middle. It is off center of space and it literally creates a pressure differential between between it and the original body suspended in space. Instead of the pressure of space acting equally on both bodies in all directions, the line of sight area between the two bodies has a lower pressure ratio of influence by space than all other areas of the two bodies being affected by space.



Nature abhors a "vacuum".

Constant pressure => O <= Lesser pressure => 0 <=Constant pressure


The pressure of space begins to "push" the two bodies together (the beginning of intertia). This is the attempt to equalize the "pressure drop" between the two bodies. Normally this would cause space and time to warp around the bodies in order to accomodate their interference in the natural design of space to exert universal pressure at a constant, in all directions.



If left alone, the two bodies would eventually be pushed together leaving only one body left at the center, for space to universally push on from all directions.



Now simply add a third body, off center of the first two, and larger than the second one but smaller than the first.


O


=== > O <=> 0 <===

The momentum of the first two building towards eachother is now affected by a loss of "pressure" between all three (more towards one, less towards the other and so on. Since the pressure of space is equal on all three, but the size of mass is different on all three, and the momentum is different on all three, inertia becomes different for all three. Instead of a collision, we have a deviation from the first two bodies' original path due to the influence of the third, thus sending them into orbit around each other.

The build up of intertia combined with the deviation from original collision course due to the third body's presence, is enough to maintain 'orbit'.

How's that for an introduction?

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Q

[Quahom1]

Here is a simple test you can try at home.

Sit alone in a room for a time, then have another person come in at a random time. As they quietly and slowly move towards you, note when you recognize their presence, AND what you felt...

Was it a pull? Or was it a pressure against your skin that notified you to their presence?

They don't have to move fast, or touch you, and you can be blind folded and ear muffled, and on a shock absorbing bed. You will still sense a pressure from the physical form of another person within your vicinity, not an attraction.

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Q

[Quahom1]

One more thought.


When you pick up your coffee cup full of java each morning...are you pulling the cup towards your lips, or are you pushing against the force that is pushing your cup back to the table, in order for it to reach your lips? Are your muscles attached to bones in your arm pulling your arm up? Or are they pushing against each fiber within self, for force the bones to push against the force that is pushing against the cup (to stay forced on the table)?

Force is everything, not negative, but positive force. When we breathe, we are not sucking (pulling) air in to the lungs, we are creating a void in which positive pressured atmosphere rushes in.

Proof, is in the pudding. Ask an astronaut. Lose the integrity of the EVA suit, and lose the ability to have atmosphere rush in to the lungs (among other serious problems).

There is no such thing as cold...only an absence of heat.

There is no such thing as negative energy of any kind, only a lack of energy.

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Q

[granni]

wal, lookee thar!! I Brian's done got all our lil goodies back!! Thank-you, I Brian (and, whatever Angels may have helped you).

my goodness Q, you've been quite busy thar, youngun! i hafta wait a mite, so's i kin figure out how to phrase (as best i can) what i wanna say. but, i've been readin what you've said. yep yep yep.



alrighty then........

the bodies in stasis is comprehendable. thank-you for that explanation.
but......(btw, 'but' does not always negate the previous sentence(s)).
the area of our discussion takes place in this thing called a universe. i concur that it jes hates a vacumm.
and, with it's expansion, everything is moving. ie., nothing is standing still. ever. wal, not til jes a moment before it's theorized regression/collapse.
therefore, those bodys are in motion. and when they're in motion close enough to each other...albiet not on the same trajectory (outward bound). how would the 'push' of your theory of gravity work to form a solar system? the same rules would have to apply to galaxys. with the exception of those with black holes at their center.

but, with even black holes: your theory would have items being pushed into, rather than pulled into.

everything moving (and in the universe, all things are moving) creates waves. those waves can and will push other things. even minutely pushing, much larger things. but, unless they're on a similar trajectory, with a similar velocity, they will not form a cooperative unit....ie., solar system. ex., moon, vrs passing comets/meteors.
in the graphic of the bullets in water, which shows the wave formed ahead of the movement.... that explains the 'knowing' of another's presence. they moved the air when they entered the room. that movement is felt by the observer. hence, knowing someone/thing has entered their space.

you're correct about the arm lifting the cup: pushing the cup off the table, and toward my lips. i tested it, as you'd suggested, and noted which muscles were used, and how. even tried it without the handle. required less force. of course, that's not the socially accepted mode for moving and picking up one's cup. which took me to the realization that i'd taught my babies the social way, when they'd already known the easy way. so, with this new understanding , i'm also a baddddd mama .

continuing with the 'push' of gravity:
we've been taught that gravity holds us to the earth, and is what keeps us from flying off (would solve the population problem). apparently, that's rudimentary. and, in error?

sooooo..... what's pushing, thereby keeping everything-on-the-surface....on the surface?

granni

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by granni

wal, lookee thar!! I Brian's done got all our lil goodies back!! Thank-you, I Brian (and, whatever Angels may have helped you).

my goodness Q, you've been quite busy thar, youngun! i hafta wait a mite, so's i kin figure out how to phrase (as best i can) what i wanna say. but, i've been readin what you've said. yep yep yep.



alrighty then........

the bodies in stasis is comprehendable. thank-you for that explanation.
but......(btw, 'but' does not always negate the previous sentence(s)).
the area of our discussion takes place in this thing called a universe. i concur that it jes hates a vacumm.
and, with it's expansion, everything is moving. ie., nothing is standing still. ever. wal, not til jes a moment before it's theorized regression/collapse.
therefore, those bodys are in motion. and when they're in motion close enough to each other...albiet not on the same trajectory (outward bound). how would the 'push' of your theory of gravity work to form a solar system? the same rules would have to apply to galaxys. with the exception of those with black holes at their center.

but, with even black holes: your theory would have items being pushed into, rather than pulled into.

everything moving (and in the universe, all things are moving) creates waves. those waves can and will push other things. even minutely pushing, much larger things. but, unless they're on a similar trajectory, with a similar velocity, they will not form a cooperative unit....ie., solar system. ex., moon, vrs passing comets/meteors.
in the graphic of the bullets in water, which shows the wave formed ahead of the movement.... that explains the 'knowing' of another's presence. they moved the air when they entered the room. that movement is felt by the observer. hence, knowing someone/thing has entered their space.

you're correct about the arm lifting the cup: pushing the cup off the table, and toward my lips. i tested it, as you'd suggested, and noted which muscles were used, and how. even tried it without the handle. required less force. of course, that's not the socially accepted mode for moving and picking up one's cup. which took me to the realization that i'd taught my babies the social way, when they'd already known the easy way. so, with this new understanding , i'm also a baddddd mama .

continuing with the 'push' of gravity:
we've been taught that gravity holds us to the earth, and is what keeps us from flying off (would solve the population problem). apparently, that's rudimentary. and, in error?

sooooo..... what's pushing, thereby keeping everything-on-the-surface....on the surface?

granni

Space. Or rather the energy contained within space. That is what keeps us from 'flying off the planet'. Good title for a book I think. I also suspect you already know the answer, and are a teacher, and I am being tested, and that is quite fine with me

Space is so spatial (pardon the pun), and therefore realitively weak in it's spread out state. However (I tend to use however instead of but), it is constant. And it's affects on compressed bodies remains constant, regardless of other bodies (much larger in mass, or smaller), proximity. Some call it "superlight", some call it the dark matter of space, and some think this is all bull, and we are nuts to have this dialogue. Personally I don't care, I just like thinking outside the box. And I enjoy when someone joins me for the dance.

Again the proof is in the pudding. Ever notice how droplets of water video taped aboard the space shuttle react? If they are between the astronaut and the hull of the shuttle, they tend to remain in the middle. But release them away from the astronaut (above or below), they tend to move towards the astronaut, and the astrounaut tends to float towards the thickest part of the shuttle.

I opine that the greater the body, realative to the area, the more immediate the impact on the smaller body (as explained in my last post).

Granni, there is no such thing as "nothing". Only a lack of something to verying degrees. "Negative" is a construct of man's mind. It does not exist in nature. Whoa! That could mean that we are unnatural. We think in negative terms (or are capable of).

A black hole is a drain. It pulls nothing. However it receives everything that comes close to its proximity. It then focuses what it receives, which in turn creates a path for other parts to follow. The "weight" of space or "pressure" if you will is like water. It seeks it's own level.


BUT!.... the bible gives a clue....yes? As on Earth, so in Heaven...

Of course this is only my take on things. I could be way out in Andromeda's field.

v/r

Q

[granni]

ahh, medarlin Q.....

re: "they tend to move towards the astronaut, and the astrounaut tends to float towards the thickest part of the shuttle."

that would be 'attraction' (pull) vrs repulsion (push). but, jes in case: go ahead, and explain why the astronaut tends to float towards the thickest part of the shuttle.

*still thinkin on that black hole and things jes rushin on in...willingly*

btw... thanks fer bringin Sun Tsu into the discussion . that caused a big ol cheek puffin grin.

granni

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by granni

ahh, medarlin Q.....

re: "they tend to move towards the astronaut, and the astrounaut tends to float towards the thickest part of the shuttle."

that would be 'attraction' (pull) vrs repulsion (push). but, jes in case: go ahead, and explain why the astronaut tends to float towards the thickest part of the shuttle.

*still thinkin on that black hole and things jes rushin on in...willingly*

btw... thanks fer bringin Sun Tsu into the discussion . that caused a big ol cheek puffin grin.

granni

Think big granni, BIG. All of space is not done pushing, and space wants to push us all into one neat package. Space is constant, it works where it will.

Small goes into big, big goes into bigger...and so on.

Think of what I said.

Oh, and I thank God I didn't bring Shin Tzou into the conversation. That would have been a mess.

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Q

[granni]

ROFL!!! yer precious!

aye Q, i am thinkin big........

yes, the waves of matter (unseen) are pushing......

however, why toward the largest part of the shuttle? eh? why not the wing? why not toward the open door of the mid-bay? (the doors are open in my view)

granni

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by granni

ROFL!!! yer precious!

aye Q, i am thinkin big........

yes, the waves of matter (unseen) are pushing......

however, why toward the largest part of the shuttle? eh? why not the wing? why not toward the open door of the mid-bay? (the doors are open in my view)

granni

Because Granni,

Space wants to push us into the greatest part of the center. Space is a "sheep dog"!.

water wants to flow to base level, air wants to rise or fall, CO2 wants to stay near the floor, hydrogen wants to rise forever...gravity wants to push everything into one thing.

These things are not sentient, but they have a strong mind about things. They will what they will. Done, now we react.

I think that we should get out of the weeds here Granni, the fishin' isn't so good.

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Q