Allowing child molesters in church?

[juantoo3]

Niranjan,

Your silence on my final points is deafening.

Besides your prejudices being evidence of becoming the monster you so wish to destroy,

You are still confusing individual persons with the actions of governments and those in power.

By your own standards, I can hold you accountable for every crime India has ever committed across time. Denial of such crimes does not negate them.

Ultimately this is my point, and I might add Gandhi's point as well. Either we let bygones be bygones, or we cling to those errors of the past that chain us and hold us down. If we are persecuted, it is as much on ourselves as any other for allowing it. Even should a crime such as rape occur, it is still the individual who chooses to wallow in the self pity of victimhood, or to take the experience and turn it into a constructive lesson for themselves and others.

You may quote facts and figures all day long, I can counter with opposing facts and figures, all of which from both sides are calibrated to our respective points of view. Of course, that would require me to play the game by your rules, the rules of wallowing. I play the game by rules that are above that.

Now you are asking for trouble, and that too from me, remember that.

Why, for choosing to take control of my own life? For preferring to not let people like you keep me down by your stereotypes? I may have been born into disadvantage (as measured by money or status), but it is my choice to remain there or not. Life may have dealt me some cruel blows, as I can assure you it has, but it is my choice to let these things control me or I can choose to overcome them. I can point a finger at everything I see as wrong and evil in the world, or I can do what I can to make life better for myself and those within my influence. I can blame everybody who I think causes me pain (real or imagined), or I can take responsibility for my own actions to do what I can to remedy those things I can actually do.

One person can't change the world...but they can sure make a real impact if they apply themselves by doing. Nothing was ever accomplished by sitting back and pointing a finger.

You see injustice in the world? OK, so do I. The question really is, what are you doing about it besides complaining? Otherwise, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Juantoo,
you have notably failed to appologise for the unprovoked attack and subsequent theft young women by the shlakikik tribe, which you descend from, on the shalkikik tribe in east africa circa 95,000BC.

TE

Too funny, Tao!

BTW, exactly which former life was that in?

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

< cool !!!>

You must know Johnny Depp then?!

s.

Thanks for noticing, Snoop!

Six degrees of separation, and all of that...I know Johnny about as well as you do.

I did see Florence Henderson once...

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Did I happen to mention my new bride is Chinese, whom I met in Beijing, and dearly love with all of my being?

What a lovely comment Juantoo, I had an ahhhhh moment thank you. Congratulations on your new marriage. I hope you both have a long, fruitful and happy life together.

Loved your post by the way.

Salaam

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Muslimwoman, and welcome to CR!

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

What a lovely comment Juantoo, I had an ahhhhh moment thank you. Congratulations on your new marriage. I hope you both have a long, fruitful and happy life together.

Thank you, very much.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Loved your post by the way.

Salaam

I have enjoyed your posts as well!

Shalom, and peace!

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

BTW, exactly which former life was that in?

You dont remember!!! My ohhh my your getting senile!!

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

You dont remember!!! My ohhh my your getting senile!!

LOL!!! Tao, you're killing me...oop, that's OK, I'll get you back the next time around!

You do realize I have to have a guru to tell me what to do, don't you?...I've lived so many times before at this point that it all gets confused in my head. I just can't think for myself anymore!

The thoughts from when I used to be an orangutan are not so bad, but the thoughts from when I used to be a cockroach are really disturbing my sleep.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

LOL!!! Tao, you're killing me...oop, that's OK, I'll get you back the next time around!

You do realize I have to have a guru to tell me what to do, don't you?...I've lived so many times before at this point that it all gets confused in my head. I just can't think for myself anymore!

The thoughts from when I used to be an orangutan are not so bad, but the thoughts from when I used to be a cockroach are really disturbing my sleep.

Ohhhh not the slipper woman!!!

[greymare]

this is to muslim woman, the story about the age of consent and rape thing are indeed concerning. to me such a huge catastrophe because of a teenage indescrection( apologies for the spelling). so sad, so sad. Now to jauntoo3 and his nemisis niranjan, chill out guys. Unfortunately the indigenous peoples of my country have been persecuted too. But the people who are by far the most productive and the most content are the ones who get off their backside and be the best that they can be. I dont care whether you are black white or brindle. If you start at the bottom, the only way is up

[niranjan]

SARFOROSHI KE TAMANNA AB HAMARE DIL ME HE

DEKHNA HE ZOR KITNA BAZUEM KATHIL ME HE



Well, juantoo dude, you have returned. Must say you indeed have a lot of nerve. I grant you that.

The fact is , I had a party to attend to , after the post I gave you, and I didn't have much time. I wrote what I could and left.

However what I wrote kept on haunting me, even in the party, especially what I wrote about the vietnamese children. It ruined my party a bit, as I must say. So I indeed have a score to settle with you pal.

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Niranjan,

Your silence on my final points is deafening.

Oh, really, then your silence on what I said is very deafening as well.

From what I remember , you said you married a chinese woman. So what, many chinese and asians and Indians have also married white women, in their own countries.

And you tried to be funny by saying something about the native american indians with all their pipes and stuff, I gather. And what about it. Didn't the europeans engaged in savage acts of violence with one another.

The american Indians were described by rousseau, as being noble savages, as they had a code of conduct, which the europeans lacked.

And indeed their ancestors lived peacefully and happily , then what their descendants are living right now. And their ancestors were much much more numerous as well, till they were exterminated by the europeans, and their diseases.

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Besides your prejudices being evidence of becoming the monster you so wish to destroy,

Well, I guess the facts I wrote , like about that monica babe, america's lack of a black or american indian or female president , or the high rape rate of the american indian women are perceived as prejudices by you, and I am being a monster for highlighting them. As I said, you indeed have a" strong sense of justice."

Originally Posted by juantoo3

You are still confusing individual persons with the actions of governments and those in power.

Well, isnt it the individual who elects the government and the people in power , my " wise and humane " friend.

Originally Posted by juantoo3

By your own standards, I can hold you accountable for every crime India has ever committed across time. Denial of such crimes does not negate them.

We indeed have committed some mistakes in the long run due to the defects of a feudal system, and we have also compensated for this adequately in our constitution and through our own spiritual masters.

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Even should a crime such as rape occur, it is still the individual who chooses to wallow in the self pity of victimhood, or to take the experience and turn it into a constructive lesson for themselves and others..

So , I guess you are saying that the perpetrators are not at fault , but the rape victims, who are so devastated by their experience that they do not have the courage or the self-esteem like perhaps other mentally strong women have, to fight back. I do hope that if your female friends or relatives were gang raped, they would have the strength of mind to fight back, instead of being traumatised and destroyed by the experience.

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Why, for choosing to take control of my own life? For preferring to not let people like you keep me down by your stereotypes? I may have been born into disadvantage (as measured by money or status), but it is my choice to remain there or not. ..

And who the hell bothers about you. I am talking about the others who unfortunately do not have the wisdom or learning to do this, because they are too crushed by their circumstances.

Originally Posted by juantoo3

One person can't change the world...but they can sure make a real impact if they apply themselves by doing. Nothing was ever accomplished by sitting back and pointing a finger.

Well, at least my posts got your attention and time. So it indeed is creating awareness of the points I wish to highlight. And that is indeed a lot for me.And pointing a finger indeed helps, if Paine had not pointed a finger at the evils of british imperialism and slavery, if Gandhi had not pointed a finger at british imperialism and violence, if MLK did not have pointed a finger at atrocites towards the blacks,if Martin Luther did not point a finger at the corruption of the catholic church, all these things would still would be happening even now.





And in case you are wondering what I have wrote in the beginning of this post, then let me say that it is a poem written by Shaheed Bhagat Singh, a brilliant young Indian revolutionary, who fought against british imperialism, and who was later hanged by the British at the age of 23. And through his martyrdom, he inspired thousands of youth themselves to take up the gauntlet.



It is easy to kill individuals but you cannot kill the ideas. Great empires crumbled while the ideas survived.
--Bhagat Singh


"The aim of life is no more to control the mind, but to develop it harmoniously; not to achieve salvation here after, but to make the best use of it here below; and not to realise truth, beauty and good only in contemplation, but also in the actual experience of daily life; social progress depends not upon the ennoblement of the few but on the enrichment of democracy; universal brotherhood can be achieved only when there is an equality of opportunity - of opportunity in the social, political and individual life." — from Bhagat Singh's prison diary, p. 124


Sarforoshe ke tamanna, ab hamare dil me he,

Dekhna he zor kitna, bazuem kathil me he.




The time for sacrifice has come, my comrades,

Now it is time to test the potency of the enemys blade.

----Bhagat Singh.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, at least my posts got your attention and time. So it indeed is creating awareness of the points I wish to highlight.

There's good attention and bad attention........ lol..... And awareness? lol... Please...

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

There's good attention and bad attention........ lol..... And awareness? lol... Please...

Speak for yourself, matey. I guess you don't like what I have wrote about british imperialism and how it has cut the throats of others and looted their wealth . Its all right, I understand your feelings.

[17th Angel]

lol... Not at all you have not even the slightest understanding of me... Remember that...

I just find you petty and pointless... (note: I am not throwing insults so at ease mods... That is simply an observation of his posts on ancient history...)

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

There's good attention and bad attention........ lol..... And awareness? lol... Please...

lol, there are none so blind as those that WILL NOT see.

You can lead a Horse to water,if that water be foul, you cant make it drink.

The mental constipation displayed here is no longer even irritating me, its utterly laughable. To see someone spout off and openly display their ignorance to be so fundamental is real honesty!! An open book so to speak. Maybe I should pity, show compassion. Well usually I would, but as I posted elsewhere recently, my veiw is that the only acceptable intollerance is of intollerance itself. And so I cannot even pity.


TE

[17th Angel]

I think I understand...

I am now currently on the phone to the Queen of England.. Lizzy my good pal...

"Yeah, Hey there Lizzy old girl..... I need a favour... I think it would be best if you sent a "I am sorry" letter to every indvidual in Australia, India, Canada... some other places will have to check with this person online... And maybe to sweeten the blow, add a £5.00 gift certificate for Tesco's to each letter. I think this is a MUST to do...."