All truths are gods truth

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Hi all,


2 + 2 = 4 is false because in real terms you cannot have two things exactly the same, this is why numbers are metaphoric. Hmm we could perhaps ask if '0' has a representation in reality though! And perhaps '1'.


matt.

If all truths are gods truth, then science etc is gods truth also – yet jesus didnt teach us this, along with many many other wisdoms. So we may say at the very least that we may know gods truths that are not spoked by jesus.


I wont go into my usual 'its a big universe' banter such as 'are all beings on all other planets damned etc. suffice to say that all teachers provide us with gods truths, and more often than not they are very similar to other truths that have been around for milenia..
such as jainist truths and buddhist truths eh vaj!

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[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Dondi

You've made my point, regardless of what base system is used. I did say that there was a possibility that both could be wrong. If we use binary, octal, or even hexidecimal, they would both be wrong.

It is true that both would be false, if that is the kind of truth you are looking for. But they are not the same. They do not equate. They are empty set.

My original premise still stands.

Namaste Dondi,

thank you for the post.

you offered two bits of evidence and said that these two are not equal, one of them is correct and one of them is wrong.

what i've demonstrated is that they are, in fact, equal. they are equally wrong if one is using a different maths base, which you agree with

if, however, they are an empty set, they are both open and closed!

The set containing no elements, denoted . Strangely, the empty set is both open and closed for any set and topology. A set that is not the empty set is called a nonempty set. The empty set is sometimes also known as the null set (Mendelson 1997). Unfortunately, some authors use the notation 0 instead of for empty set (Mendelson 1997).

Empty Set -- from Wolfram MathWorld

metta,

~v

[Dondi]

Let's say we live in the real world and 2 + 2 = 4.

I don't care how many times you try to twist it around, if you have 2 apples and I give you 2 apples, then you will have a total of 4 apples, not 5. Now you will probably take the factor of time into the equation and say that you've planted a few seeds and now have a whole tree full of apples. But then you are getting into something beyond the simple illustration. Sigh. Fine, if you want to complicate things. But I was trying to show in simplistic terms the logic of truth in simple mathematic terms. I fail to see how manipulating the numbers changes things.

2 + 2 = 4

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Dondi,

thank you for the post.

the 'real' world as you say, has more than one mathmatical base, it is not simply a Base10 world

i posed the question that if i could show that both 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 are identical, in that they are both false, would that be sufficient evidence to demonstrate their sameness?

metta,

~v

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste Dondi,

thank you for the post.

the 'real' world as you say, has more than one mathmatical base, it is not simply a Base10 world

i posed the question that if i could show that both 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 are identical, in that they are both false, would that be sufficient evidence to demonstrate their sameness?

metta,

~v

But we're not talking about sameness here, we're talking about truthfulness. The premise you give renders the statements the same, yet they are still false.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Dondi

But we're not talking about sameness here, we're talking about truthfulness. The premise you give renders the statements the same, yet they are still false.

It is *true* that they are both false

nevertheless, we can drop this and I will stop derailing the thread

metta,

~v