Aleister Crowley - a fraud?

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Alexa,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by alexa

Did you know his life rule was : 'Do what you want to' ?

actually.. it's a bit more than that... iirc..

"Do what thy whilt shall be the whole of the Law" with the addendum "provided that it harm none."

now... as far as i can ascertain, this addendum was added by the North American branch of the O.T.O to deal with the polemics from the I.O.T.
how effective it will be, is anyone's guess.

[Mus Zibii]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

if you are really interested in this subject in more detail, please PM me as i am concerned for the forums liability.... and that's all i'm saying on that

Ooo, I'm tempted to a make a John Travolta joke now. Battlefield Earth was subpar! Do your worst Heber Jentzsch!

[I, Brian]

Indeed, I'm sure the issues of WWII and Nazi Germany could be addressed on the politics board- though, of course, we would ask that is remains as civil as may be.

As for LaVey - seems to have done a good job of trying to turn Organised Satanism into an Alternative Lifestyle - so as to get away from the pre-CoS hysteria of killing black cats, as psychopathic expressions travelling under a non-descript label of "Satanism".

[Mus Zibii]

I could never get passed the fact the 'Satanic Bible' was originally published by Avon. Or that whole Sammy Davis Jr thing.

[alexa]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

"Do what thy whilt shall be the whole of the Law" with the addendum "provided that it harm none."

now... as far as i can ascertain, this addendum was added by the North American branch of the O.T.O to deal with the polemics from the I.O.T.
how effective it will be, is anyone's guess.

Thanks, Vajradhara. I knew I miss something during translation from French.

By the way, what does this mean : 'Namaste ' ?

alexa

[Mus Zibii]

There was mention of Scientology at one point. I found this audio file of Hubbard talking about Crowley.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/media_vault/Crowley.ra

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Alexa,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by alexa

By the way, what does this mean : 'Namaste ' ?

alexa

it's an ancient Nepali greeting made with the palms pressed together and held in front of the chest. it's a bit difficult to translate exactly, however, the best transliteration that i've seen is thus:

"i bow to the divine in you. when you are in that place in you and i am in that place in me, there is but one of us."

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Mus Zibii,

thanks for the post.

Originally Posted by Mus Zibii

There was mention of Scientology at one point. I found this audio file of Hubbard talking about Crowley.

did you know that only an Operating Theatan is even allowed to know about the existence of Xenu? there are very few OT's in the entire organization.. mostly due to the cost involved in the whole process... nevertheless... Xenu is officially denied in everything but the most "classified" literature.

[bgruagach]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

"Do what thy whilt shall be the whole of the Law" with the addendum "provided that it harm none."

I think this is confusing the Wiccan Rede (which is "An it harm none, do what you will") with Crowley's maxim: "Do what thou wilt; love is the law, love under Will." It's usually just summarized as "Do what thou wilt" or "do what you will."

Perhaps some of Crowley's followers did add the bit to minimize harm to the maxim, but I suspect this was after Crowley's death. (I'm a Wiccan althought I do have some knowledge of Crowley and Thelema, although mostly in relation to Wicca.)

[Vajradhara]

Namaste bgruagach,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by bgruagach

I think this is confusing the Wiccan Rede (which is "An it harm none, do what you will") with Crowley's maxim: "Do what thou wilt; love is the law, love under Will." It's usually just summarized as "Do what thou wilt" or "do what you will."

what can i say... they seem to be feeling the heat from the standard maxim.. especially given the recent events in Milwaukee.. at least from what i gather the I.O.T. gathering there was pretty focused on specifically getting the O.T.O.

eh... you know how it is when family fights

Perhaps some of Crowley's followers did add the bit to minimize harm to the maxim, but I suspect this was after Crowley's death. (I'm a Wiccan althought I do have some knowledge of Crowley and Thelema, although mostly in relation to Wicca.)

LOl.. yeah, you can bet it was after his death! Alistar, though all for changing things himself, wasn't so keen on others changing his work. go figure

[alexa]

Namaste, Vajradhara and thanks again !

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by alexa

Namaste, Vajradhara and thanks again !

my pleasure.

[alexa]

[QUOTE :He's very interesting indeed. Too bad that he's so antropocentric in his teachings.[/quote]
I found him interesting, not because who he was or what he tried to teach, but of the influence he had after his death.

Here you have something from The Goetia of the Lemegeton of King Solomon."
From the book "Magick in Theory and Practice"
The Eternal Questioner

• If time could stand stillHow long life should seemFor life is but an illusionA state of concious dreamAnd when life is all but overTime will wait no moreLife but just the questionDid you see the things you sawAnd when questions can't be answeredAnswer is not to gainWas my concious worth the effortAnd time but stopped in vain.

[Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine]

Originally posted by Vajradhara
[sic]especially given the recent events in Milwaukee[sic]

Namastar ji, Vaj, but what events are you refering to? I'm from Milwaukee and I haven't heard anything.

Bolshoi spacibo (Russian for big/huge/great thanks).

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

[alexa]

Hi bgruagach,

Could you tell me what you know about Crowley and the releation to Wicca, please ?

Thanks,

alexa