Age of Aquarius - Page 6

Phoenix72 · 12-06-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

A change in human DNA on a mass level is a very interesting idea - I actually have my own on this (later) - but just to comment on the poles flipping - I don't believe there's any suggestion in the records of previous pole flips of any change in the earth's rotation at all.

The Egyptians talk of it in the book of the dead (or going forth), the mention the flip and how north was south. Oh plus scientists have accepted it as a common occurence but although they say we're over due, most don't say when its coming, those that do, well...I hate to flog a dead 2012 horse.

P72

pohaikawahine · 12-06-2005, 04:18 PM

I loved the summary by P72 and also the references from Pathless .... Churchward was mentioned again and his references to Lemuria (Mu) and the symbols .... Churchward did not believe that the people of the south pacific that had these symbols understood their meanings, but in fact they did understand the meanings and most of the information connected with the symbols had gone "underground" because it was looked at as some some of pagan knowledge .... today many young people do not understand the meanings because those that took it "underground" have passed over. The place that Churchward called Lemuria is known in the ancient chants and from my culture is called Ta Rua and there is hidden within the creation chant a message about the future, a prophecy, that is connected with these changing times. What is most fascinating remains the question, how did the ancient ones (those that hid the messages) know what science is finding out today. I still maintain that at one time there was a higher frequency of being and this is spoken of in the chants and the process to achieve this is hidden in the symbols .... which brings me right back to the importance of a "comparative religion" site such as this .... to my mind the symbols, when understood in their most sacred meanings (the deepest levels), will link us all together and we will understand our connectedness instead of our seperatness .... this thread on the Age of Aquarius has brought forth many of the symbols in legends and prophecies and biblical text and we are all working to share our thoughts in the meaning .... as we do this we actually begin the start of a process that increases our own frequencies .... so perhaps in our small way we are helping to usher in the age of aquarius .... just some thoughts to share.... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

aquaris · 12-06-2005, 04:28 PM

First there was tsunami Last year.... then earth Quake in Gujrat India... then in
Kashmir Region at the border of India-Pakistan...
then in Iran... and the Latest in Africa.....

something really is giving way .... and these could be signs of a Major Change in
the Earths Geography......

Time traveler 3168 · 12-07-2005, 08:39 PM

quote: Phoenix72

"The Egyptians talk of it in the book of the dead (or going forth), the mention the flip and how north was south. Oh plus scientists have accepted it as a common occurence but although they say we're over due, most don't say when its coming, those that do, well...I hate to flog a dead 2012 horse."

You have to admire the young firebirds persistance with the flogging of the 2012 horse which I believe is far from dead. Now excuse me while I add some fuel to the fire.
Although the Koran is not helpful in pinpointing a date for the apocalypse, or the final judgment of the world it does state that the hour is near when traditional Islamic way of life is overturned, the sun rising from the west and setting in the east."
"After the night of three nights, the following morning the sun will rise in the west."
http://www.crystalinks.com/islamic2.html
para 5 , line 2 ,The Final Signs of Qiyaamah(Islam)

Is it due to polar flippage that the sun rises in the west?

And the bible?...

Isa 45:6

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Hmm, maybe?

Keep flying Phoenix72, we have just started the flogging...

Anything is possible
Nothing is real

pohaikawahine · 12-08-2005, 06:42 AM

what if the sun rising in the west and setting in the east has nothing to do with the physical sun, but is a metaphor for enlightnment of some sort .... internally the back of the head is north, the face is south, the left hemisphere of the brain is east, the right hemisphere is west .... so the rising of the sun in the west (the right hemisphere) would result as a process of enlightnment .... at least another perspective to think about .... pohaikawahine

Time traveler 3168 · 12-08-2005, 11:06 AM

Metaphor or prophecy?

or neither?

Yes, the sun rising fronm the west could imply enlightenment or it could be the "actual" sun rising from the west, the poles flipping being the only foreseeable way this could happen. ( Or maybe its a really good trick using mirrors?)

Metaphor, prophecy or neither?

Now for some beautiful poetry from The War Scroll

.."For the Instructor, the Rule of the War. The first attack of the Sons of Light shall be undertaken against the forces of the Sons of Darkness, the army of Belial: the troops of Edom, Moab, the sons of Ammon, the Amalekites, Philistia, and the troops of the Kittim of Asshur. Supporting them are those who have violated the covenant. The sons of Levi, the sons of Judah, and the sons of Benjamin, those exiled to the wilderness, shall fight against them with . . . against all their troops, when the exiles of the Sons of Light return from the Wilderness of the Peoples to camp in the Wilderness of Jerusalem. Then after the battle they shall go up from that place and the king of the Kittim shall enter into Egypt. In his time he shall go forth with great wrath to do battle against the kings of the north, and in his anger he shall set out to destroy and eliminate the strength of Israel. Then there shall be a time of salvation for the People of God, and a time of dominion for all the men of His forces, and eternal annihilation for all the forces of Belial. There shall be great panic among the sons of Japheth, Assyria shall fall with no one to come to his aid, and the supremacy of the Kittim shall cease that wickedness be overcome without a remnant. There shall be no survivors of all the Sons of Darkness.
Then the Sons of Righteousness shall shine to all ends of the world continuing to shine forth until end of the appointed seasons of darkness. Then at the time appointed by God, His great excellence shall shine for all the times of eternity; for peace and blessing, glory and joy, and long life for all Sons of Light. On the day when the Kittim fall there shall be a battle and horrible carnage before the God of Israel, for it is a day appointed by Him from ancient times as a battle of annihilation for the Sons of Darkness. On that day the congregation of the gods and the congregation of men shall engage one another, resulting in great carnage. The Sons of Light and the forces of Darkness shall fight together to show the strength of God with the roar of a great multitude and the shout of gods and men; a day of disaster. It is a time of distress for all the people who are redeemed by God. In all their afflictions none exists that is like it, hastening to its completion as an eternal redemption. On the day of their battle against the Kittim, they shall go forth for carnage in battle. In three lots the Sons of Light shall stand firm so as to strike a blow at wickedness, and in three the army of Belial shall strengthen themselves so as to force the retreat of the forces of Light. And when the banners of the infantry cause their hearts to melt, then the strength of God will strengthen the hearts of the Sons of Light. In the seventh lot: the great hand of God shall overcome Belial and all the angels of his dominion, and all the men of his forces shall be destroyed forever"...

Yes, its interesting to note that only on the ( seventh) lot, Does light overcome the dark.Though I have my own beliefs, this number could mean anything , and has many meanings in various cultures and religions.

Metaphor, prophecy or neither?

Phoenix72 · 12-08-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

what if the sun rising in the west and setting in the east has nothing to do with the physical sun, but is a metaphor for enlightnment of some sort .... internally the back of the head is north, the face is south, the left hemisphere of the brain is east, the right hemisphere is west .... so the rising of the sun in the west (the right hemisphere) would result as a process of enlightnment .... at least another perspective to think about .... pohaikawahine

As usual a well questioned point, so many things we tend to take as literalism is really just symbolic of something with greater meaning and this is another fine example.

All these 12's 13's 7's and 144's could really be factors happening within our own heads to bring us this enlightenment (shouldn't really be using this word but I can't think of another right now) pohaikawahine has shown us many numeric corelations within the brain but remember the craziest thing about all this jive is that, As above , so is below, pohaikawahine has raised some excelent points about actual things happening inside our heads but these things also happen in reality and in the stars too.

The west side of the brain is the creative more feminine aspect of ourselves but this certainly doesn't exclude the sun also rising in the west either, the ancients that state such things do so in no uncertain terms.

I believe in the return of the feminine aspects, not some misguided feminist aspect but a truely intuitive state, but I also feel that when our forebears say the sun will rise on the other side, I think we should probably take notice of that, as its not as if it hasn't happen before, its not a huge leap of faith.

P72

pohaikawahine · 12-08-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Time traveler 3168

Metaphor or prophecy?

or neither?

Now for some beautiful poetry from The War Scroll

.... In the seventh lot: the great hand of God shall overcome Belial and all the angels of his dominion, and all the men of his forces shall be destroyed forever"...

Yes, its interesting to note that only on the ( seventh) lot, Does light overcome the dark.Though I have my own beliefs, this number could mean anything , and has many meanings in various cultures and religions.

Metaphor, prophecy or neither?

Great poetry and I could write a book on the symbols but won't go there now, only to the "seventh lot" which I'm glad you pointed out so graciously .... I've just finished reading a "lot" of things about Chanukah, the Jewish Festival of Lights, and there is a story of Chana and her seven sons (who are tortured and die without giving up their faith) .... they are the sons of lightness .... I believe that the number seven in its essence means the same thing in most cultures and religions (it is my favorite of all numbers by the way and I have studied it in its many forms for over 40 years) (is that 40 years and 40 nights?) .... in the Hawaiian Chant of Creation (the Kumulipo) there are over 2000 lines and it is first divided into major periods (the time of Po, darkness, and the time of Ao, light) .... then it is divided into smaller sections, each is called a "wa" (which means a period in which something happens) (also means a canoe because there is a transition of time between two points when you travel).... in the transition between the time of "po" (darkness) and the time of "ao" (light) there are "seven wa" .... when you reach "ka wa ehiku" (chant seven) you will hear these words "O kau ke anoano ia'u kualono" which translated means "fear falls upon me on the mountaintop" or "the solemn stillness on my hills" or "over the mountain silence reigns" or "awe comes over me on the mountaintop" (lots of ways to translate this) but in essence when you reach the seventh "wa" you have reached the mountaintop or the place of knowledge and wisdom .... then you enter the period of "ao" light ....

"there are many paths to the mountaintop, but we all see the same moon when we get there" .... perhaps this will change one day and we will say "there are many paths to the mountaintop, but we all see the same sun when we get there" ....

some claim that the above chant is actually a genealogy chant for the ali'i (kings and queens), and it is that but much more .... its inner knowledge belongs to all and is not the sole property of the ali'i .... its inner knowledge or its sacred level of meaning is universal and like many others we hold the keys to the covenant and they are found in the sounds of the ancient chant .... chanting, deep prayer, deep meditation, spinning, rocking .... many ways to enter the inner world and to walk the path to the mountaintop .... this is part of the process that will take us to the Age of Aquarius .... the stories, the legends, the prophecies, the bibles, the Torah, the Koran, the ancient texts all tell us the same thing when we read the symbols (at least that is my view on all this) .... and "seven" is the number of the human cross, the merging of the four lower energy centers with the three upper energy centers creates the meeting of heaven and earth .... it is the reattachment of the severed head (also a symbol) .... it is the seven sacred cities of Lemuria, the seven steps on Jacob's Ladder, the seven pre-christian sites that form the route of the pilgrimage of initiation which ends at Rosslyn Chapel, the seven holy feasts of the Lord (Book of Leiticus of the Old Testament), and in the South Pacific any good navigator or fisherman knows that one always rides in and out on the seventh wave (it is the completion of a cycle of wave patterns that makes the entrance to a habor safe) .... sorry, I get really carried away and start to weave an ancient tapestry that can sometimes be overwhelming in its size and weight .... in the Age of Aquarius we will only enter the fifth level, but it is the first of the upper three as we leave the underworld and begin our journey in the upperworld (we transition between darkness and lightness as in the War Scrolls) .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

Pathless · 12-08-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

in the Age of Aquarius we will only enter the fifth level, but it is the first of the upper three as we leave the underworld and begin our journey in the upperworld (we transition between darkness and lightness as in the War Scrolls) .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

Namaste all,

Poh, you mention the fifth level, which is strikingly familiar to the "fifth world" that the Hopi "prophecies" speak of. Interested parties might look into this, although I personally think the interpretation of the prophecy given here is too much on the cataclysmic side.

Phoenix72 · 12-10-2005, 02:50 PM

Fifth is one of those reoccurring things, alot of cultures put us at the fifth whatever, and that cataclysmic thing happens too...

P72

Time traveler 3168 · 12-10-2005, 03:11 PM

quote: pohaikawahine

"there are many paths to the mountaintop, but we all see the same moon when we get there" .... perhaps this will change one day and we will say "there are many paths to the mountaintop, but we all see the same sun when we get there" ....

Ah yes, the mountain top... Imagine....

Imagine one day we all, following many different paths, get to the mountaintop and up there is the sun, moon and God not to mention maybe even the mc ribb. Great, i am now enlightened, woo-hoo! I see things for what they really are infact, we all see the "truth" being upon the mountain and seeing things as they really are. Then we all leave the mountain and go our own ways. While apon the mountain God tells us before we leave that she would like us to draw a picture , and take some notes on what we have seen; that way we wouldnt forget. So we pull out our notepads and pencils, draw a picture, scribble some notes and leave the mountaintop. Everyone goes there own way as we are all happy to have seen what we have...

2000 or so yrs later....

Your ancestors have long passed away but the picture and the notes they took while on the mountaintop have been passed down from generation to generation as they specified they are important and the "truth" lies in the pic and the notes even though they are a little ragged from time and that nasty coffee stain in the corner. One day someone you meet someone , say on the internet , who tells you they have a picture and some notes from the mountaintop, and theirs is much bigger than yours. You tell them that you also have a pic and notes from the same place so you agree to compare pics and notes.

To both our amazements the pics and the notes are totally different and we spend endless hours trying to show that our God is bigger than yours. There are some similarities in our pics/ notes but yours has some my doesnt have and my drawing shows her with long hair and yours with it in bunn.

You see, our ancestors , wether ,black , white, red, european, asian or whatever , seen it all but each of their perceptions are different and time changes things, they grow old and must be renewed.

Yes, we can argue forever how she had her hair, but in the end it must be proven and only by going to the mountaintop like our ancestors will we see "it" the way it is. Or you can stay at the mountain base and wait for someone to come down, then ask them to give you a look at their picture and notes. Ofcourse you can take their word for it and bet your life and soul on it, or get off your behind and climb the mountain yourself.......

Woo-hoo! wanna see a great picture?

Pathless · 12-10-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Time traveler 3168

Ah yes, the mountain top... Imagine....

Imagine one day we all, following many different paths, get to the mountaintop and up there is the sun, moon and God not to mention maybe even the mc ribb. Great, i am now enlightened, woo-hoo! I see things for what they really are infact, we all see the "truth" being upon the mountain and seeing things as they really are. Then we all leave the mountain and go our own ways. While apon the mountain God tells us before we leave that she would like us to draw a picture , and take some notes on what we have seen; that way we wouldnt forget. So we pull out our notepads and pencils, draw a picture, scribble some notes and leave the mountaintop. Everyone goes there own way as we are all happy to have seen what we have...

2000 or so yrs later....

Great points, time traveler. I would also venture to say that we all need to reach the mountaintop for ourselves and experience it; ideally, from all possible perspectives and angles, all of us, so there is no confusion. Tough to do; is it even possible? It's a good goal to have, if nothing else.

Personally, I want to get to the mountaintop so I can get that McRib.

Time traveler 3168 · 12-11-2005, 12:43 PM

Yes, its much easier to walk down the mountain than up it..

I personally believe it is possible and we see the mountaintop, if we get there, in a way it wishes too reveal itself to us, for whatever purpose it has in mind for us....
Why do somepeople have a burning desire to get to the mountaintop while so few get there as it becomes to hard for one reason or another?

Mathew 22:14 For many are called but few are chosen

It takes some people whole lives to get to the mountain, while others get there very fast depending on the "will" of the recipient and the will behind the will.

Purpose is the main reason one should ask for when involving any knowlege or path. Why am I doing this? or maybe you should ask" why has it chosen me to do or know this" Everything has a purpose, for good or bad. Destiny chooses us. luck, co-incedence and fate have nothing to do with it. And even if you dont wish to see whats on the mountaintop, you still might see it...

"If the mountain wont come to mohammed, then mohammed must go to the mountain"

aquaris · 12-11-2005, 01:12 PM

the other day.... BBC reported " the Birth of an Ocean "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4512244.stm

If we see..... since 2004 there are some very positive pointers ...indicating a very massive phyical Change in the Earth's geography...

like tsunami... which resulted because of the shift in tetonic place beneath the Indian ocean.... the Earth Quakes.... in the Kashmirs.... again because of shift in the Earths plate... then these earth Quakes or after shocks travell south West..
First ot Iran... then the Arabina penunsula...and now this report........of a possible birth of an ocean ....
All this happening within one-two years.....
.... so ARE we going to witness a REAL Massive Phyical change in the Geography of the World.....??

Phoenix72 · 12-11-2005, 02:45 PM

I suspect we probably might at the very least, all proof and explaination aside I'm fairly certain we're going to see some crazy stuff in the next few years.

P72