Age of Aquarius

[Phoenix72]

Yeah I get that, thats all the symbolism that got me thinking there might be more to this change of age thing than just the stars ticking over. Theres alot more too that Im sure your well aware of.

I remember having a talk with a little sadu in india who said the same things about the opening of the 7th lotus and all that, made me feel like there was something to look forward to, til he handed me the post card of the Kali to take with me...

[pohaikawahine]

don't take Kali too seriously, she wears a necklace of skulls for a reason .... she is not as dark as she seems .... lol, pohaikawahine

[Phoenix72]

As a man I've explored the various identities associated with being a man, Warrior, poet, lover, father etc, but natures not a man, although the pagan gods were gods of the wild (and goddesses of civilisation). Are you forgetting that one whole aspect of the woman, the "crone" is responsible for weeding out the unworthy, it is feminine to cycle, the old dies so that the young can be born, the phoenix rises from the ashes, to skip straight from mother to maiden would be losing one of those three symbols you were talking about.

It seems strange to use the circle of life in a discussion with women. I like a happy transition concept but with that lazy male part of me that doesn't want to do the hard work that will come with the coming of a new age.

No mythology lacks a final destruction epic.

P72

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by Phoenix72

No mythology lacks a final destruction epic.

P72

ah P72 .... but most mythology has at least four levels of meaning, the deepest contains the sacred seeds .... and those final destruction epics might be seen in a different light .... it is like shape shifting, the form changes and what appears is something very different .... several of us might hear the same myth, but we will not all see it the same way .... aloha nui, pohaikawahine

[bgruagach]

Originally Posted by Phoenix72

No mythology lacks a final destruction epic.

I'm not sure that this is true.

For instance, what classical Greek myth predicts an end to the world? How about Egyptian?

[Phoenix72]

Point taken Poha, symbolism can really be taken many ways especially when viewed from a single point, though its pretty hard to view it too far from the general meaning when something like destruction happens across the board.

And master bgruagach, ever heard of the titans? The messianic style battle between upcoming god at the change of an era, strange also involved alot of polar ice mention as well. May not happen in the chronological order you want but it still happens and well with in topic too.

Peace P72

[bgruagach]

Originally Posted by Phoenix72

And master bgruagach, ever heard of the titans? The messianic style battle between upcoming god at the change of an era, strange also involved alot of polar ice mention as well. May not happen in the chronological order you want but it still happens and well with in topic too.

Peace P72

The titans in Greek myth were precursors to the Olympic deities... and the world did not end when the titans were overthrown. The human era was when the Olympian deities were alive and active so it's a bit confusing to say the titan story is about the end of the world when it supposedly happened long before humans appeared on the scen.

Perhaps you're confusing Greek and Norse myth -- the fact you bring up ice suggests that. Yes, the Norse do have an end of the world type of myth that involves titan-like beings (frost giants, etc.) battling with the deities. But I still don't know of a Greek myth that talks about the world coming to an end in the future.

A friend of mine who is much more knowledgeable about Egyptian myth told me that the closest they have to an end of the world myth is the belief that the sun dies each night and is reborn each morning. The only way that cycle could conceivably be broken (i.e. the sun not being reborn in the morning) is if the deities were to abandon their duties. And in Egyptian myth that is not even considered to be a possibility as the deities are always there.

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by bgruagach

The titans in Greek myth were precursors to the Olympic deities... and the world did not end when the titans were overthrown. The human era was when the Olympian deities were alive and active so it's a bit confusing to say the titan story is about the end of the world when it supposedly happened long before humans appeared on the scen.

Perhaps you're confusing Greek and Norse myth -- the fact you bring up ice suggests that. Yes, the Norse do have an end of the world type of myth that involves titan-like beings (frost giants, etc.) battling with the deities. But I still don't know of a Greek myth that talks about the world coming to an end in the future.

A friend of mine who is much more knowledgeable about Egyptian myth told me that the closest they have to an end of the world myth is the belief that the sun dies each night and is reborn each morning. The only way that cycle could conceivably be broken (i.e. the sun not being reborn in the morning) is if the deities were to abandon their duties. And in Egyptian myth that is not even considered to be a possibility as the deities are always there.

hmmmm ben .... you are getting into some of my favorite symbols .... the twelve gods of mount olympus for one .... I actually look at the 12 gods, the 12 gates, the 12 sages, the 12 tribes, the 12 knights of the round table .... and many other circles of 12 as part of an internal process of the movement of energy in the human body .... the mountain is a symbol of our head (or in the case the 12 knights, it is the round table) .... in the center of the brain is the limbic system (also known as the altar, the cave, the location of the holy grail) .... there are 12 pairs of cranial nerves that operate the whole system, so all 12 gates must be opened .... the system is also made up of the seven energy centers within the human body (four below the level of the neck and three in the head area) .... all must be reconnected (reconnecting the severed head symbolically) for us to reach the top of the mountain where we see the light or become enlightened .... everything is in the symbols, even the opening of the seven seals .... myths, biblical texts, chants must all be read or heard at several levels of meaning .... the deepest (or in hawaiian the 'huna') is the sacred .... when we open our eyes and see with our souls we will find our way again and become whole (that was my dream) ....

one last tidbit .... the brain is covered by a net of nerve endings and it is called the arachnoid (the spider's net, the shroud, the bridal veil) .... all different names and different symbols for the same thing .... this covering over the brain (between the hard part of the brain and the soft matter) is what transmits all the signals .... touch one part and it vibrates all, just like a spider's web ....

so the legends or myths connected with the age of aquarus, the greek, the egyptian, the biblical texts .... all are connected in the symbols in my view .... this is my 10 cents worth (my contribution to the whole) .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

[Phoenix72]

Originally Posted by bgruagach

The titans in Greek myth were precursors to the Olympic deities... and the world did not end when the titans were overthrown. The human era was when the Olympian deities were alive and active so it's a bit confusing to say the titan story is about the end of the world when it supposedly happened long before humans appeared on the scen.

Perhaps you're confusing Greek and Norse myth -- the fact you bring up ice suggests that. Yes, the Norse do have an end of the world type of myth that involves titan-like beings (frost giants, etc.) battling with the deities. But I still don't know of a Greek myth that talks about the world coming to an end in the future.

A friend of mine who is much more knowledgeable about Egyptian myth told me that the closest they have to an end of the world myth is the belief that the sun dies each night and is reborn each morning. The only way that cycle could conceivably be broken (i.e. the sun not being reborn in the morning) is if the deities were to abandon their duties. And in Egyptian myth that is not even considered to be a possibility as the deities are always there.

The main point I was making here was that it was a story about a change in circumstance for that world at that time in mythology, if you read the dead sea scrolls you'll find its not too different from the messianic epic in its essential tale. Its always battle/destruction with a resurrection, Jesus lugs a cross gets wacked and then hes back renewed, Kali trys to destroy the world at the end of the Kali Yuga then is reminded of her love of Shiva, In the bhagavad-vita Vishnu tells his side kick that the war he fights is nessasary, luke loses his mentor (the teacher of righteousness) and Battles Darth Vader (the anti christ) to resurrect the force. Did somebody say Jungian conciousness? These myths occur over and over in humanitys myths.

As far as the egyptians, they were so bold as to even spell it out for us and actually say that north would become south in their book of the dead (or more appropriately the book of going forth) and that the world would see great turmoil. Interestingly enough Ms pohaikawahine, when Osiris encountered Set he was cut up and 12 pieces and a thirteenth (his phalus) were found, the only piece still at large was his spine, his Kundalini, the Caduceus, the serpents. All was reborn when Isis gives birth to Horus. The Hindus have a tale about the gods going looking for treasure in the (picean) sea, they use a great serpent to hold a massive stone to churn the seas until their bounty came out, 12 precious items came out, plus the ambrosia (13) and then later a woman walked out for me a symbol of the reawakening of the feminine.

Again this coming age (and the last one) does seem to have alot of numbers popping up again and again in the Myth structure, pohaikawahine, I love that tid bit about the brain and its 12 paths (Im sure theres a 13th too) seems like a continuing case of "As Above so as below", as I belive all these cultures are refering to the precession when they use the 12 (and 13) as it fits into the whole mechanism.

So back to Topic, Isn't this our whole point? What does the new Aquarian age mean? I'm sure we understand the maths, the process, the myths, most of us even believe that it may herald some awakening consciousness (cheesy as that may sound) its seems that lately the main point of debate is the Cataclysm element.

My point was that the age requires a burn to rise again renewed.

[bgruagach]

How valid is it though to start with a specific premise and then cherry-pick ambiguous mythology from around the world to support that premise? If you take a premise that is generic enough it's not really suprising that there might be similar images around the world -- mythology is a human thing after all, and despite our cultural differences we all go through the same basic things (birth, struggle with both triumphs and failures, death, etc.)

Mythology is first and foremost a poetic way of trying to describe reality. That means that it is open to interpretation. Do the interpretations truly support the very specific basic premises (like predicting a specific "end of the world" date) that they are being stretched to support?

[Phoenix72]

Originally Posted by bgruagach

How valid is it though to start with a specific premise and then cherry-pick ambiguous mythology from around the world to support that premise? If you take a premise that is generic enough it's not really suprising that there might be similar images around the world -- mythology is a human thing after all, and despite our cultural differences we all go through the same basic things (birth, struggle with both triumphs and failures, death, etc.)

Mythology is first and foremost a poetic way of trying to describe reality. That means that it is open to interpretation. Do the interpretations truly support the very specific basic premises (like predicting a specific "end of the world" date) that they are being stretched to support?

Bgruagach, Myths are just that, stories that may resemble some past event or history, it is also my personal opinion that some of these myths have been shaped by our ancestors, like the bible for instance, a book that was written by a bunch of pagan astrologer priests (essenes, Qumran) who were aware of precession, suddenly producing a book advocating a patriarchal system and the supplanting of the Goddess. Why? because they were aware of the coming age of masculine energy and the only way to preserve the myths was to package them and market it to a masculine society until the Aquarian age arrived. Was there really 12 disciples and Jesus? (13) are there really 7 seals before the Apocalypse? 72 letters in the name of or is this some chakra related euphamism?

To say that I am cherry picking 'Obscure Mythology' only shows that you aren't reading enough mythologies, Jesus, Kali and Vishu aren't 'Obscure', not even Quetzacoatl is and he unwent the same process as well, I could understand if maybe they were not major mythic sourses selling the same cup of wine. My specific premise is only this: Destruction precedes birth, in relation to the coming of an Aquarian age (the topic)the rest we've already come to an accord on, although I'm open to continued debate on that too.

If I chose to quote you solely from the bible or only about the Goddess or kept my daitribes confined to the America's and their prophesies then you could accuse me of finding obscure references within, but these are major events within these different cultures globally. If your looking for a more western epic other than from the Judeo christanic stories (each with hideous battle stories to spiritual freedom) then try the more feminine sumerian Tiamat destruction.

Sorry people, it doesn't nessesarilly rule out a happy transition (it is only a myth) but then even the transformation of the aquarian age comes from the same mythic sources that you sek to dismiss, you can't pick and chose which reoccuring myths will happen and which wont, its all the one mythic structure.

Where does it mention the enlightenment and not the cataclysm, I prefer to see it than not.

[Phoenix72]

Originally Posted by Phoenix72

72 letters in the name of God? or is this some Precession related euphamism?

Sorry got that a bit funny.

P72

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by Phoenix72

The main point I was making here was that it was a story about a change in circumstance for that world at that time in mythology, if you read the dead sea scrolls you'll find its not too different from the messianic epic in its essential tale. Its always battle/destruction with a resurrection, Jesus lugs a cross gets wacked and then hes back renewed, Kali trys to destroy the world at the end of the Kali Yuga then is reminded of her love of Shiva, In the bhagavad-vita Vishnu tells his side kick that the war he fights is nessasary, luke loses his mentor (the teacher of righteousness) and Battles Darth Vader (the anti christ) to resurrect the force. Did somebody say Jungian conciousness? These myths occur over and over in humanitys myths.

As far as the egyptians, they were so bold as to even spell it out for us and actually say that north would become south in their book of the dead (or more appropriately the book of going forth) and that the world would see great turmoil. Interestingly enough Ms pohaikawahine, when Osiris encountered Set he was cut up and 12 pieces and a thirteenth (his phalus) were found, the only piece still at large was his spine, his Kundalini, the Caduceus, the serpents. All was reborn when Isis gives birth to Horus. The Hindus have a tale about the gods going looking for treasure in the (picean) sea, they use a great serpent to hold a massive stone to churn the seas until their bounty came out, 12 precious items came out, plus the ambrosia (13) and then later a woman walked out for me a symbol of the reawakening of the feminine.

Again this coming age (and the last one) does seem to have alot of numbers popping up again and again in the Myth structure, pohaikawahine, I love that tid bit about the brain and its 12 paths (Im sure theres a 13th too) seems like a continuing case of "As Above so as below", as I belive all these cultures are refering to the precession when they use the 12 (and 13) as it fits into the whole mechanism.

So back to Topic, Isn't this our whole point? What does the new Aquarian age mean? I'm sure we understand the maths, the process, the myths, most of us even believe that it may herald some awakening consciousness (cheesy as that may sound) its seems that lately the main point of debate is the Cataclysm element.

My point was that the age requires a burn to rise again renewed.

aloha e .... there is always a battle because this is the symbol of the spiralling energies within the body (symbolized by the spiralling snakes on the caudacaus which is the spinal column) and usually the symbol of the battle is the tension between twin brothers (but there are many other variations) ... and actually you are right, there are 13 but the 13th is the symbol of all becoming One (like King Arthur and the 12 knights of the round table) .... but I want to get to your last point "that the age requires a burn to rise again renewed" .... it does require a "burn" but it is not a physical burn...

if you want to look at it in terms of the constellations (which are replicated in the mind) the change of year comes when the sun enters the constellation of Aires (the lamb/ram) .... symbolically the lamb (Aires) is roasted or burned by the sun, and we passover from winter to spring .... (also the symbols in the Passover) .... this is an important transition of the year because the winter is when all goes beneath the earth to be nurtured and reborn again in the spring when the sun returns .... this is the transition from the time of darkness to the time of light .... interesting that this concept of moving from darkness to light is symbolized in so many different ways .... also if you look at the symbol of the spiralling energy moving into the brain, it must pass through a part of the brain called the "fornix" (I have to look this one up again but I remember reading that the word "fornix" is related to the word "furnace") so the energy would move through the "furnace" for change to occur ....

lots of symbols from the ancient ones left for us to remember .... I can only say that I see the Age of Aquarius as a transition from darkness to light, an age of heightened evolution not revolution, and a time in which the frequencies of our minds will increase exponentially .... and interestingly enough the more people that begin to change their minds about how they see this change as positive instead of negative, the sooner it will happen .... I can only put out my thoughts into the stream of consciousness but I cannot personally change the thoughts of others .... I can hope that somewhere in time and space they will touch someone else .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

[Phoenix72]

pohaikawahine,

Now we're beginning to communicate. I'm feeling that we've been speaking a similar language for some time, but you don't often express your views in any great detail, probably because it leaves you open to deconstructive comments (hopefully not from myself).

Well I'm totally down with the Kundalini, Caduceus, serpent symbolism, it does relate to the aquarian age change very heavilly in all the mythology I can find, so this sits well with the large view. I also find much to do with the change of mankind like yourself also, try checking a discountinued book called "Unknown Man", mysterious birth of a new species, by Yatri. Has some really cool stuff about this and from a very detached sciencey view point as well which is nice. Has one interesting bit about the energies that radiate out from the head that can be photographed (not using some rubbish hippy scope) it connects to the whole bird theme we find at the top of the Caduceus/Ygdrasil/kundalini/world tree/crucifix element.

I'd like Homo Sapiens to become Homo Novus (or what ever) and I feel that this will happen (soon), and I'd be stoked if this was a spiritual burn as you suggest, I find this theory very plausable. I do also feel however that the input science had made to the discoveries of the Earths and Suns regular polar reversals has a hand to play, wether this is just the cause of said spiritual burn or the cause of the physical burn, remains to be seen. this must be conceded as we are dealing with intangibles and the interpretation of symbols.

But as you do live on an island surrounded by Volcanos (Im assuming) please take a holiday on any specific date you feel important to our discussion (mine would be 2012) this would make me feel better.

Peace.

P72

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by Phoenix72

...Well I'm totally down with the Kundalini, Caduceus, serpent symbolism, it does relate to the aquarian age change very heavilly in all the mythology I can find, so this sits well with the large view. I also find much to do with the change of mankind like yourself also, try checking a discountinued book called "Unknown Man", mysterious birth of a new species, by Yatri. Has some really cool stuff about this and from a very detached sciencey view point as well which is nice. Has one interesting bit about the energies that radiate out from the head that can be photographed (not using some rubbish hippy scope) it connects to the whole bird theme we find at the top of the Caduceus/Ygdrasil/kundalini/world tree/crucifix element.

I'd like Homo Sapiens to become Homo Novus (or what ever) and I feel that this will happen (soon), and I'd be stoked if this was a spiritual burn as you suggest, I find this theory very plausable. I do also feel however that the input science had made to the discoveries of the Earths and Suns regular polar reversals has a hand to play, wether this is just the cause of said spiritual burn or the cause of the physical burn, remains to be seen. this must be conceded as we are dealing with intangibles and the interpretation of symbols.

Hi,

I've been reading a book lately entitled Infinite Mind: Science of the Human Vibrations of Consciousness by Dr Valerie Hunt. She talks about both of the highlighted things in the above quote--scieintifically measuring the aura or bio-electric-magnetic field that surrounds a person, and how both electricity and magnetism affect consciousness (although consciousness is a bit of an inadequate term for the effects that she describes ). This is interesting in light of the discussion of the shifting of the magnetic poles of the earth. It is my current opinion that such a magnetic shift would have a profound and transformational effect on humanity. Right now, I won't get into the debate as to whether that would be traumatic/destructive or gentle/constructive, because I need to grab a shower and go to work.

Peace,
Pathless