Age of Aquarius

[Sacredstar]

Following the recent disaster i investigated the prophecies I received back in 1996 so apologies it was 1/3 of the world's population will cease to walk the earth. European statistics that were put out in 2002 confirmed this but sadly did not keep the link. This is also evident in Australia and the US which is why they having opening the doors gradually to more immigrants. Australia as allowed so many asia-pacificians it was hard to find a true australian when I first arrived there. The Australian government have let so many in they will not even reveal the true figures to their people.

This was a prophecy that I received.

I am an ex-professional clairvoyant./medium who had clients in 14 countries around the globe, these clients came on recommendation, I can assure you that clients at corporate level do not part with their hard earned cash unless you come up with the goods and your prophecies are proven to be true. The millennium prophecies were presented at major MBS exhibitions. It was amazing how many other people have been shown the same visions. One woman even saw the UK cut in to three islands through environmental disaster.

So my advice to all, do not live near a waterfront/sea, the best long term investment is land because you will be able to grow your own food. Do your best to live 50 metres above sea level.

Interesting that before Christmas national newspapers stated that insurance for water side homes will now be refused and the government's environmental agency website is showing the areas in danger of flooding. The UK government also sent out brochures to every household last year telling us what to do in a national disaster and flooding. They a know a lot more then they are letting on I feel....

Take heed of the warnings and signs from mother earth, prewarned is prearmed.

Onwards and upwards

Sacredstar

[Phoenix72]

I think I'll have to side with you on this one Sacredstar,

Age of aquarius is facinating and all but why would our ancient forebears go to so much effort to devise a system of ages that spanned 25000 years, and not in just one location around the world either, many ancient cultures record the same data, and why is it we use all that data and still poo poo their advancments, are we so sure of our own accomplishments. We use their 24hrs, 365.24 days in the year, 360 degrees in the circle, and now use all the other astronomically important numbers in our own calculations, 12, 72, 144, 2160 per age and the same measurements for the great year too. They even knew exactly how often the sun flips its own poles (something we've only just worked out) 11.22 years.

As Im sure most of you know the Mayan calendar reaches the end of its last sun on 2012, The egyptians followed precession to its point at 2012 as well, and the Kali yuga is rapidly drawing to a close, and every judeo christianic religion is bracing itself (again) but hey what do these guys know anyway? Even I found it fairly easy to dismiss all the astronomical data, its not that tangible is it?

Then some damn scientist had to go and research the movement of the poles, and published an artical in a 1979 scientific american that indicated they'd accidently discovered that the poles were going to flip on 2012 in december, they didnt think much of it (and had no idea about mayans or otherwise) but it got me thinking about the ramifications...

That kind of change could affect, tectonic plates, the magnetosphere, ocean levels, global temps and some say global conciousness...

[New World]

Hi Phoenix,

I actually agree with much of what you've written - resurrecting a thread a year old I see! - however it's always not only useful but virtually essential when making such important statements to give a link or reference. Not that I doubt you at all about the 1979 article but - author, title, details? It seems a little fishy to me TBH (not from you but that it probably wasn't so clear-cut as to predict a flip to a precise month; also science has moved on an awful lot since 1979).

There is a GENERAL consensus among non-materialists about what Aquarius means, and I reckon disagreements about precise dates are less than unimportant for a "start-date". What is important is how much worth to put on dates, and people appear to be going ridiculously OTT about what may happen in 2012 IMHO. It's a typical millennial or fundamentalist stance that everyone from Christians to Jehovah's Witnesses fall prey to over and again - that something radical and physical (undeniable) will happen on a certain specific date. As always the date comes and goes. Similarly, the New Age community will, I am quite certain, find a new one when 2012 comes and goes.

Does that mean New Agers, supposedly so liberal, actually have a fundamentalist streak when it comes to certain subjects such as dates? Perhaps so. That's interesting...

Similarly we have in this thread the 2050 date and apologies, but I would in no way accept that either. So two-thirds of the population will cease to walk the Earth by 2050? - then a correction post - oops, it's actually one-third, Sacred Star got it wrong. Hey, these are big figures and concepts! It can hardly be taken seriously when it's a "whoops" over a mere two billion people! Incidentally that will not happen due to a drop in population expansion because (1) most of those people to be around in 2050 are already alive on Earth now, and (2) the world population is still expanding rapidly.

But in general I'd agree with the rough consensus of what the Age of Aquarius means, and in general it was something which couldn't happen or begin until a certain time-period. There's a reality there we can see and sense, but the specific and apocalyptic (sp?) stances don't hang true with this writer.

[Phoenix72]

Master New world,

Ahhh, this is the reason why as forum such as this is so interesting, I get the benefit of getting some really decent pros and cons from some people that seem to really know their stuff, but enough of the back patting...

Resurrecting an old thread?, you'll have to excuse my ignorance I'm not sure what your talking about, but as far as quoting my sources I shall endevour to be more thorough in the future and I'll see what I can do about finding that article (I've been tracking back issues with no luck). But yeah I need to see this article myself and I too would like to know what science has to say as an update. The first time I heard it mentioned was by Graham Hancock in "Finger prints of the Gods" or was it the Orion Mystery? Bah! I'll work on it.

As far as what it means I'm sure any non-materialist would be more than happy to sit back and enjoy the specticle of whatever happens, what concerns me more is if its a much more 'tangible' transition, every mythology speaks of destruction and perhaps its too materialistic of me to seek to save my own hide and those whom I love. Its all well and good to design a massive clock but it would seem strange to do so without some reason, especially given that our last ice age was about half a great year ago.

I cant see it being a nice pleasant transition with a casual decline of the population by 2050 (here I agree with you) not when the myths speak of destruction and violence, the goddess doesnt just have three faces for nothing, one of those faces, the Buba Yuja is not some kindly old lady she is the embodiment of the forces that would weed out the weak. Kali is the reincarnation of a very benevelant Goddess, but at the end of the age of iron even her own lover has trouble stopping the carnage.

It would be nice to think we could all live happy away and buy a new car each year and pity those poor souls who dont have the lifestyle to reflect on the nature of the most high because their too busy starving, any change in paradime (sp?) would be accompanied by much disaster.

If the Apoc doesnt come in 2012 then we'll be really stuffed because then it really will come like a theif in the night and you'll have to be in a constant state of readyness, cos it will happen, sometime.

P72

[I, Brian]

Whatever the Mayan calendar consisted of, the Mayan Prophecies book didn't do a great job of interpreting it. Essentially, they turned Mayan prophecy into a colour-by-numbers exercise, where numbers that looked a bit like other numbers suddenly became exactly equivalent. Disappointing.

Anyone expacting a major religious event in 2012 is shopping at the same store the 2000 millenialists stocked up at.

However, 2017...

[Phoenix72]

Do tell, I'd like to at least hear all the theories.

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Whatever the Mayan calendar consisted of, the Mayan Prophecies book didn't do a great job of interpreting it. Essentially, they turned Mayan prophecy into a colour-by-numbers exercise, where numbers that looked a bit like other numbers suddenly became exactly equivalent. Disappointing.

Anyone expacting a major religious event in 2012 is shopping at the same store the 2000 millenialists stocked up at.

However, 2017...

This was something I received some time ago, but don't know the web site .... but in essence it says

"Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the highlands of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenago, also the dwelling place of the Maya Mam tribe. .... they are the keepers of time (authorities on the mayan calendar" ... Mr. Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since the age of 19, he also became a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide, Eagle Clan "
note: this background is important for the next part ....

"Anthropologist visit the temple sites" Mr. Barrios says, "and read the stelas and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders ar angry at this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars and know how to accurately interpret it, not others."

"from that 1987 date until now, Mr. Barros say, we have been in a time when the right arm of the materialistic world is disapearing, slowly but inexorably. We are at the cusp of an era when peace begins and people live in harmony with mother earth. We are no longer in the world of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. All this was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics of the Mayan calendars. It will change, everything will change."

There is a web site called Beyond 2012, a Convergence of Eschatogocial Information .... worth the read if you have the time and inclination to go through many of the theories connected with the year 2012 .... a few highlights

"Timewave Zero; the fractal timewave system .... a complex computer analysis of the I Ching revedaled a hierarchy of 26 timewaves which govern the unfolding of events in the universe .... when converted into a single ractal wave, and mapped against history, the graph peaks in 2012."

"The Cherokee Calendar terminatews in 2012 .... see reference to changing agnetic field will alter the endocrine production of the pineal gland .... critical mass and brain function ...."

even the hawaiian chant predicts a 2nd great flood or wave, but in the year 2023 .... but it is a metaphor and not a prediction of the end of the world .... but another time of transformation ....

the concept of moving fromthe fourth world to the fifth is related, in my view, to the seven energy centers in the body .... four are below the neck and three are above .... when you begin to move into the head area, if we are in fact in transition between the two worlds, you should begin to vibrate at a higher frequency (you are now reaching the blues and purple colors in the spectrum of color which have a higher frequency than the lower colors of red etc.) but you must be able to reconnect the "severed head" (that symbol that we have been disconnected and unbalanced) .... when the whole system is reconnected, the time of transition should almost complete .... at least that is the theory (or is that my theory?) ....

the age of aquarius is part of the great cycle of the movement of the constellations as well as the ancient calendars .... what is most amazing is that it was all set in motion by a presence greater than us as individuals .... or are we in fact each a part of the process .I really don't like the scare tactics of those try to prophecize that the world is ending and every disaster is some sort of proof that this is occurring .... perhaps the world as we know it is ending, but what we can create is a place of great beauty in its place ...... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

[Phoenix72]

Poha,

I certainly wouldn't want to prophesi the end of the world, nor do I claim the current disasters are an indication of said 'end of world', and Ive never jumped on any millenium band wagon as their really wasn't any solid proof, however you have supplied a few more examples of things that talk about 2012, it just gets larger and larger, not that when that date comes Im going to be selling all my gear, cashing in for tangibles and hiding in a bunker somewhere, but I'll certainly take a precautionary holiday somewhere high with a nice little cache of resourses and a few people I love. When the date passes I can climb down from my hill a little relieved and begin clinging desperately to the idea that it might be a gradual enlightened transition, rather than just having got the date wrong and still be inline for doom.

Well it seems that despite what each of us may consider the final result of the coming of the age of aquarius, it does seem that we favour the opinion of some form of change/transition, possibly this is a vain hope, a modern society clinging to an ancient system of time for the possiblity we may escape what tends to feel sometimes like an ever degrading mess of a world.

I myself have trouble accepting this pleasant transformation of conciousness, not that I dont wish it so, it does just seem a tad optimistic given the level of greedyness and hoarding of resourses, too often have I tried to have a conversation with somebody of a more open minded topic only to have that invisible veil drop down over their eyes, signifiying that they will not accept any information that conflicts with their world view (or just plain boredom?).

No mythology I can think of has a nice happy transition to paradise, all are like the phoenix or pelican they are sacrificed that their successor might thrive, birth follows destruction, these are the natural rites of passage.

Assuming a happy transition, how do nearly 7 billion people redistribute their wealth? How do they downsize their population and burden on resourses, mayans talk of the fifth sun ending in fire, fire in nature is a cleansing element, water nurishes the ground after.

Heres to a happy transition...

[pohaikawahine]

yes, here's to a happy transition .... actually I don't get too caught up in dates and times, although I follow several calendars out of interest .... what I am most interested in is the change of consciousness in each of us as we return to an ancient path of knowledge .... that's why a site such as this is so important, I really believe that that ancient path crosses all religions and traditions but we have to look deep within the symbols and metaphors and parables .... when we find that which connects us, we can begin to move as a group toward changing our world ... sad how much energy we waste fighting each other when we could pool our energy to move toward what we all seek anyway .... I am the eternal optimist and see light at the end of the tunnel always .... at one time in my life I walked one of those tunnels and saw a brilliant revolving light at the end, I will never forget its beauty and its draw .... aloha nui, pohaikawahine

[Phoenix72]

I guess what you say about the studying of the global myth structure and viewing it as a greater whole is what got me into this whole topic in the first place, viewing each faith or myth or symbolism individually rarely gives any great insight, but unlike what your suggesting I fail to see any interconnected web of myth and or symbolism that suggests anything other than tough times for those who get to see the age of aquarius come into full swing I admit that those that survive will probably get to see an age of enlightenment, at least thats what the symbols also say.

So apart from the mutually desired "happy transition" its either approaching crunch time (date irrelevant) or its a long slow wind into a bush inspired inevitable collapse, much like the romans our time will also slowly degrade into war, no civilisation lasts for ever (it would be arogant to assume were better than that), especially if we continue to stir up that middle eastern hornets nest. I never heard so many people use the term "rag head" so often in these parts...

...I'd almost welcome a cull of the population compared to the continuation of this madness.

P72

[pohaikawahine]

aloha e P72 .... that is what makes this all so fascinating, how we can look at the same thing and see it so differently .... when I started on this path I felt fear about what was to come, but I've walked it now for well over 40 years and my view has changed completely, now I can only see connections and the coming of a positive transition of mankind .... however, I don't try to convince others of the truth or untruth of how I see things, I only appreciate the opportunity to share my thoughts .... myths, prophecies, and symbols have become my passion and I see so many possibilities in connecting people through the inner meaning of their stories .... we are much more than we think we are .... aloha nui, pohaikawahine and p.s. happy transition, enjoy the ride since it will certaintly be a bumpy one ....

[Ciel]

Aloha Pokaikawahine,

Hopefully the amniotic waters of the planet have already now released as in the past year. And now in birth we are both midwife as custodians of care, and new life entering.

Being fully aware, totaly positive, fully relaxed, melting with the waves pushing us forward. We can, for others there are, already see the light at the end of the tunnel, it is in our hands to hold steady.

Shall we say transcending the bump, and we float in smooth passage.

[pohaikawahine]

aloha e ceil - I love that description .... great thoughts .... aloha nui, pohaikawahine p.s. I really should do a spell check after I post, I noticed I wrote about a "ractal wave" and it should have been "fractal", thank goodness I got the "a" right .... lol

[Phoenix72]

Beautiful ladies, really nice,

being an optimistic person myself I value such a positive take on what promises to be enlightened era ahead, and assuming you are women (assumption I realise, sorry if Im incorrect) you have experienced child birth right? I know that many women can use more constructive natural methods to bring their little bundles of joy into the world but the majority dont experience such bliss, of course Im not talking about children am I? usually the birthing process is difficult and painful sometimes accompanied with a big slap on the bottom.

Surely you must consider that we (positive seekers that we try to be) are a minority blessed with a full belly and a bit of idle time to consider the greater importance of god an the precession of the ages, the coming of the age of aquarius how interesting! But most people though are either rapidly in the process of aquiring the most amount of material items they can lay their hands on or scramble in the dust to cobble together a meal before their bellies distend. Custodians of care may refer to the few enlightened souls around but not to the other 99% who would sooner do a 'C' section because it makes their genitals less stretched and they keep a better figure. Then after we can send our new aquarian child off to nannys, boarding school, summer schools before eventually a therapist who will medicate the age heavilly.

It is easy to quote, hinduism, judeo-christianity, zoroastianism, gnostic writtings, mayans, norse mythology, science, egyptians, Australian aboriginals, Nostradamus, Mother shipton, Edgar Case, hopi indians and others to demonstrate destructive theories but Im much more interested in your theory (truthfully, despite the cynisism) how can I find out more about it? The magnetic field may have lost 58% power and the pole may move and fluctuate wildly and geology may claim we're overdue but Im sick of hearing the bad news.

Apart from general intuitions and faith in humanities good heart, where can we see any reversal in the trend of greed and violence, the amniotic has broken but the pain rises, I too would like to look forward to those melting waves, and not the ones due to crash down on my head when the ice caps go...

With sincerity and love,

P72

[pohaikawahine]

dear p72 .... do you actually remember the birthing process as a child and the slap on the bottom (most do not), and it is the same with giving birth .... after all is done, it is hard to remember the pain because of that bundle of joy .... but back to the theories of destruction or construction (depending on your view) ...


the theories are all subject to different interpretations but how does one find the keys to the inner meaning .... I can read the theories of the Hopi, and Edgar Cayce, and Nostradamas, and even the Book of Revelations but I do not see doom .... it's all in the symbols ....

the Hopi say that this is the time in which we will meet ourselves .... it is the return to our own wholeness, our ability to move above the frequency of the world of matter into another way of thinking ....

Edgar Cayce said it would take three to open the hall of records .... the place of all knowing .... he was speaking of merging the three hemisphers of the brain, this is when the three become One and we again move to a higher frequency of thinking and open the portals in our own minds to the world of spirit .... to paradise if you wish to use that term ....

In Revelations to open the seven seals is only to open the seven energy centers within the human body and run the energy up into the brain .... there are four centers below the level of the neck and three above .... we cross over when we move into the upper three .... the result is to be born again into a new way of being ....

Since I believe that the return of the next prophet is actually the return of each of us to ourselves (as the Hopi say,the time in which we meet ourselves) .... we each have the power to change our world by simply changing our minds ....

Simply theory, complex symbols, not an easy ride .... but it is not only possible, it has started ..... once the symbols turn, the inner meaning becomes more visible beneath the many veils .... this is the meaning within the meaning .... the serpent that eats its own tail .... to enter the cave, to enter the bridal chamber of the virgins, to enter the lodge of the white brotherhood (has nothing to do with the color white, but enlightnment), to find the holy grail, to enter the holy of holies ..... all the same place, just different names .... all the same process, just different stories ..... it's all in the symbols and the sounds of the story itself .... that's the theory in a nutshell .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine