a study in the understanding yhwh & elohim - Page 3

Quahom1 · 11-03-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

If Jesus (pbuh) or God (swt) hold you accountable by your words, then I suggest that you do teach with every idle word.

Perhaps, but then, my words aren't idly spoken. Nor do I make fun of people, nor do I attempt one upmanship by belittling others. I call it as I see it, and apologize if I'm mistaken. One thing is for certain. I mean what I say, unless it is a joke (which I note before hand).

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Joshua

Prober · 11-03-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

No.. according to my bible you are guilty of worshipping idols and false gods.

I don't get it...

Quahom1 · 11-03-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prober

I don't get it...

Some do not know if they should follow Allah, or Jesus. An attempt is being made to blend the two into one. FS and I don't think that is possible.

Why? Can't serve two masters. One will be loved and the other will be hated.

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Joshua

Prober · 11-04-2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Some do not know if they should follow Allah, or Jesus. An attempt is being made to blend the two into one. FS and I don't think that is possible.

Why? Can't serve two masters. One will be loved and the other will be hated.

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Joshua

I get it.

I should think that Allah and God are the same thing. Whether one is saved by worshiping Allah is another discussion, I guess.

Perhaps that comes under the "...many sheep have I..." thing.

Thanks.

Quahom1 · 11-04-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Prober

I get it.

I should think that Allah and God are the same thing. Whether one is saved by worshiping Allah is another discussion, I guess.

Perhaps that comes under the "...many sheep have I..." thing.

Thanks.

I can't argue against that, since I do not know the mind of God. I only know what I know (what I've been taught, and what I've come to finally accept after nearly half a century of study). I choose Jesus.

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Joshua

Prober · 11-04-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I can't argue against that, since I do not know the mind of God. I only know what I know (what I've been taught, and what I've come to finally accept after nearly half a century of study). I choose Jesus.

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Joshua

I also.

Quahom1 · 11-04-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Prober

I also.

...old fart...lol

cyberpi · 11-04-2006, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

Pardon the aside:
Cyberpi, I'm wondering if your username is at all related to the book Life of Pi?
Sorry for the interuption.
luna

No, I have not read that.

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Originally Posted by Thomas

If the bible were dead, how does it produce so much light and life in the souls of those who read and try to live by it?

My side note there was probably a mistake without a clear comparison of the definition of 'Living'. I think God (swt) is living and in people's lives. I also think the souls here are clearly living. If a child were stranded on a deserted island with a bible and no God (swt) present, then I think the bible would at best be good kindling. If two people were stranded on a deserted island with a bible, and with God watching over, then I think the bible would be precious, but still not a necessity. It seems to me that God (swt) works with what you have and can lead in many wonderous ways.

Quahom1 · 11-04-2006, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

No, I have not read that.

My side note there was probably a mistake without a clear comparison of the definition of 'Living'. I think God (swt) is living and in people's lives. I also think the souls here are clearly living. If a child were stranded on a deserted island with a bible and no God (swt) present, then I think the bible would at best be good kindling. If two people were stranded on a deserted island with a bible, and with God watching over, then I think the bible would be precious, but still not a necessity. It seems to me that God (swt) works with what you have and can lead in many wonderous ways.

If the Bible were merely an history book, I could see your point (it would only come alive to those interested in it). But since it is much more than an history book, it is very much alive whether we choose to accept it or not. Why, the very fact that it seems to cost you so much consternation, lends creedence to its "life".

If the "child" on the island, knew even a bit about reading, and knew what book was in his/her hands (even as folklore), I think in time that child would learn to read it, not burn it. Hence same said child would come to know the story of God and man.

One of man's greatest follies, is underestimating God...yet we do it daily.

cyberpi · 11-04-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Perhaps, but then, my words aren't idly spoken. Nor do I make fun of people, nor do I attempt one upmanship by belittling others. I call it as I see it, and apologize if I'm mistaken. One thing is for certain. I mean what I say, unless it is a joke (which I note before hand).

How does your self-judgement here apply to anything that I have said? If you meant your words then what do you mean by telling anyone that their God is different than yours? Is that what Jesus (pbuh) taught? Is that what you teach?

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Some do not know if they should follow Allah, or Jesus. An attempt is being made to blend the two into one. FS and I don't think that is possible.

Why? Can't serve two masters. One will be loved and the other will be hated.

Allah means God in Arabic. So, you are just saying that a person can not serve both Jesus and God. Interesting concepts. Is that what Jesus (pbuh) taught?

Quahom1 · 11-04-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

How does your self-judgement here apply to anything that I have said? If you meant your words then what do you mean by telling anyone that their God is different than yours? Is that what Jesus (pbuh) taught? Is that what you teach?

Allah means God in Arabic. So, you are just saying that a person can not serve both Jesus and God. Interesting concepts. Is that what Jesus (pbuh) taught?

"Allah" is the name of a god from the distant past in Arabic life. The god of many gods. "Allah" became the god of Muhammed (who combined all into one). Mohammed wanted all three faiths to become one SUPERFAITH. It just didn't happen.

Jesus is God.

I'm not as stupid as you might think, either, Cyberpi.

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Joshua

as for "self judgment" lol, hardly. I just regurgitate what Christians are supposed to say...isn't that right? I mean, really Christians are so stupid, they know nothing but what they've been told. Only others know the truth...

cyberpi · 11-04-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I'm not as stupid as you might think, either, Cyberpi.

Are you trying to guess what I believe, think, or do? Are you trying to speak for me? I speak for what I believe and think.

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

as for "self judgment" lol, hardly. I just regurgitate what Christians are supposed to say...isn't that right? I mean, really Christians are so stupid, they know nothing but what they've been told. Only others know the truth...

I do not see you regurgitating the words from Christ (pbuh), and it is sometimes why I respond to your posts. Here I see you either judging the intelligence of Christians on a Christian forum, or trying to assume what I believe or think. Either way, is it appropriate? Is it True?

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

"Allah" is the name of a god from the distant past in Arabic life. The god of many gods. "Allah" became the god of Muhammed (who combined all into one). Mohammed wanted all three faiths to become one SUPERFAITH. It just didn't happen.

Some Arabic Christians in the world use the word 'Allah'. In biblical Aramaic the word is 'Elaha', and in Syriac dialect it is 'Alaha' or 'Aloho'. Mark 15:34 has 'Eloi'.

I do not recognize the word Faith as you use it there to mean a belief or a religion. Did Jesus (pbuh) ever use the word Faith to mean a belief or a religion?

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Jesus is God.

I acknowledge that is what you think.

Quahom1 · 11-04-2006, 05:22 PM

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Are you trying to guess what I believe, think, or do? Are you trying to speak for me? I speak for what I believe and think.

I have no idea what you think.

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I do not see you regurgitating the words from Christ (pbuh), and it is sometimes why I respond to your posts. Here I see you either judging the intelligence of Christians on a Christian forum, or trying to assume what I believe or think. Either way, is it appropriate? Is it True?

Then you aren't looking.

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Some Arabic Christians in the world use the word 'Allah'. In biblical Aramaic the word is 'Elaha', and in Syriac dialect it is 'Alaha' or 'Aloho'. Mark 15:34 has 'Eloi'.

Regardless, its origins come from way beyond the monothiestic element of Islam today. It originially identified a amalgomous chief of deities.

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I do not recognize the word Faith as you use it there to mean a belief or a religion. Did Jesus (pbuh) ever use the word Faith to mean a belief or a religion?

Faith is belief. Religion is an human construct used to create order and allow for like minded to socially gather under a common "belief".

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I acknowledge that is what you think.

It's what I know...

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Joshua

cyberpi · 11-04-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Faith is belief. Religion is an human construct used to create order and allow for like minded to socially gather under a common "belief".

Is that what you call Christianity? Is that what Jesus (pbuh) taught?

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

It's what I know...

... and if I see something different?

Quahom1 · 11-05-2006, 03:01 AM

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Is that what you call Christianity? Is that what Jesus (pbuh) taught?

No. Christianity is a way of life, and is a faith. Denominations are religions. And yup, Jesus did teach that. In fact He says the only "religion He endorses" is the taking care of widows and orphans.

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... and if I see something different?

Then you see something different.