A Great Response

[Ryuuko]

Dear Blue,

The situation I shared with you in my earlier response was to show that evil is a matter of perception, seeing the glass half empty vs. half full argument. We may perceive an act to be evil but this is only due to our limited perspective.

Just remember, simply because you disagree with something doesn't mean that it's nonsense for the masses. Many years ago, it was absolute nonsense to think that Earth was round and not flat like every scholar thought. Again, their perspective prevented them from seeing the "big picture".

[Ciel]

Sacredstar,
Thank you,

"To be happy to live in a kingdom of love and total peace forevermore, not needing to be shown darkness or evil to know what is unjust or wrongdoing."

Yes, in total agreement, and in this I know I read the words of one who writes from experience of life, and has seen suffering for what it is, one who works to alleviate suffering and grant compassion to humanity.

If man but knew the voice that resonates through his being when he subscribes to the validity of evil, one only hopes there shall come a day when he meets his true reflection. And I would wish this upon no man on earth.

At this time in the world thousands are dead, thousands have lost everything, in the mighty floods of Asia, do we go to them to say, "This happened so we could make it better." Strange reasoning indeed when it comes to reality.

[Blue]

SacredStar wrote:
Well i would be happy to just live in a Kingdom of Love and total peace forevermore, I do not need to be shown darkness, or evil to know what is unjust and wrongdoing.

Dear Star,
If you follow that to its logical conclusion, you would be living in fluffy world, a lotus-eating world, blind to the contrasts and divergences that constitute the very nature of 'life', especially humanity itself.

The beauty of the world and humanity is in their divergences and their differences, their 'contrasts'... their dynamism.
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Ryuuko says:
Many years ago, it was absolute nonsense to think that Earth was round and not flat like every scholar thought. Again, their perspective prevented them from seeing the "big picture".

Their perspective lacked understanding of the facts and the application of reason. They could not 'see' the facts, either through sheer ignorance, or through nurture that ensured they perceived the world through erroneous doctrines and dogmas.

Thank heavens for Columbus.

The fact was, Ryuuk, that it was not 'every scholar'. That is dishonest argumentation! Long before the 'flat earth' theory there was controversy, blinded by dogma and doctrines, and even after --- even to today there are still 'flat-earthers'!

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Ciel: last post:

"This happened so we could make it better." Strange reasoning indeed when it comes to reality.
I certainly agree with that! Well said. It isn't reasoning at all... its affective illogicality. Tectonic plates don't understand 'evil'.... I am sure.

[Ciel]

Dear Blue,
Tectonic plates do not understand evil, it is true. But man in a greater sense does. And needs to understand from a greater perspective. The cause of evil in man is through inbalance and wrong alignment. As are the inbalances in the forces of nature. When humanity rises above human nature to a greater spiritual alignment the consciousness of the planet is raised. Blue, I do not expect you to agree for you and I are of a very different mentality. That is as it is. But I promise you, once one has touched upon "the kingdom of Love and total Peace" consciousness as it was moves to a completly new domain and far beyond "the fluffy." Neither does it happen through sitting on a cloud all day. It's been a life time of half a century and every process known and unknown in the context of the psychology of life and consciousness. I once sat in your seat of appreciation of life, I reduced the one to the many in the smallest detail, and I reduced myself, it is as it is in this life, the journey to regain wholeness. It is what happens to great civilisations in their rise and fall. Dare I say it is what happened to God, thus the inbalance of natural and world order. I would also say there is a reformation in the heavens, a greater consensus of rightful order and unity. A greater God of compassion and love.
And within reason it all takes time, yet it's taken thousand upon thousands of years to reach this far, it's not possible to turn back now.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Ciel

Yes I agree.

Dear Blue

Consciousness is a state a being not a scientific model.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Sacredstar]

Dear Blue

Originally Posted by Blue

Tectonic plates don't understand 'evil'.... I am sure.

Depends how you interpret evil...tectonic plates do interact with the rest of the earth, and when the people are unbalanced and in chaos this then effects the earth, and then the cause and effect compounds and the earth effects us. It is a never ending cycle that will indeed continue, until such time as humanity wakes up, and truly appreciates the absolute and crucial neccesity for engaging in a committed relationship with mother earth and the universe of divinity.

Science and intellectual thought brought us great thinkers, but in the process we lost touch with our spiritual, divine and sentient being. we left behind what was crucial for man's survival, being one with all that IS.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Ryuuko]

Dear SacredStar,

You're quite right--scientists are now only waking up to the idea that we're not as separate of Earth as we originally thought. Everything is interconnected, and what affects one affects us all.

Blue, perhaps I should not have generalized by saying that EVERY scholar believed the earth to be flat, but the point is, quite a few of them did, which brings me back to my original point: it's all a matter of perspective.

[Sacredstar]

I discovered yesterday that these plates can be affected by explosions, how many bombs does humanity think that mother earth can take? How many gun shots, how many explosions in the sea?

Sacredstar

[Vajradhara]

Namaste all,


you know what i took from the alleged interaction between student and teacher?

it's a Chick Tract.

of course, we're not told what type of professor the student is arguing with, thus, it would be fairly disengenious to imply that the professor is wrong about a question of physics if the professor is not a physics professor. said professor is not required to know any more physics than the average high school student. they are require to know the subject matter that they teach.

the second thing that i learned from that email was that appeals to incredulity are alive and well.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Sacredstar

I discovered yesterday that these plates can be affected by explosions, how many bombs does humanity think that mother earth can take? How many gun shots, how many explosions in the sea?

Sacredstar

these plates are effected by people being born or dying on them as well.

it's really quite interesting. the term to query for is Isostasis.

[aladdin]

for Blue- I don't know what is the point of arguing with everyone's post's on the basis of the other people's thoughts not being "reasonable" enough, this is great for an atheist club or a logic club personally.

Some of the arguments I think he makes do occasionally foster more questioning of one's beliefs but I find most of them critical.

Their perspective lacked understanding of the facts and the application of reason. They could not 'see' the facts, either through sheer ignorance, or through nurture that ensured they perceived the world through erroneous doctrines and dogmas.

Are you so arrogant to think you see all the facts perfectly now? Whenever a discovery is made and a new system of thought takes place, it is in a way we could never imagine before!

If you don't think that we can see all facts perfectly now than why do you argue with everyone's post and ORIGINAL thoughts.

I don't mean to pick on you it is just making me feel frustrated. People who encourage other people to think in boxes just drive me nuts. If this was a chemistry forum I might be more sympathetic to your type of posts.


I just value original thoughts more than anything else.

Certainly some people might be enjoying your points I just find them bland and everything I write I KNOW someone can come alonga nd say "This is not logical or reasonable" ...but I think encouraging creative thought is wonderful, to

[BluejayWay]

appeals to incredulity are alive and well.

You all can help prove this statement by a simple experiment. Just sign over and send your next paycheck to me.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by BluejayWay

You all can help prove this statement by a simple experiment. Just sign over and send your next paycheck to me.

er... wouldn't that be gulibility?

[Friend]

Originally Posted by Ryuuko

Namasté everyone,

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist
just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that
comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no
light."

Salaam to all

This story is good ,but we must know that our God never be absence , he always exists he create us in this life and give us the ability to choose between the evil and good things , and we are in a long test to ready for the life after death , if we choose the right path we will be save and if we choose the evil path we will fail . Justice will coming at the end .

To see the value of good things or behaviors you must see the bad ones.

you should think about our God fear in your life and after your death at the same time to accept the evils from others and to follow the teaching of "Ieesa" Gesus (Peace upon him )As christian ,and for me Mohameed (peace upon him ) As Muslim So we can face evil with peace .

[BluejayWay]

er... wouldn't that be gulibility?

Well, seeing as how nobody is filling my inbox with requests for my snail addy, I'd say most folks around here are incredulous about my little experiment--

(...and I don't quite believe I went into brain catatonia there, but the evidence is very plain, ain't it? )

...we can face evil with peace .

And I'll say a big Amen to that!
Evil cannot be defeated by the same weapons that evil uses. We keep trying to fight fire with fire, and the effort is futile.