A Corollary of Christian God

Dondi · 11-02-2006, 08:53 PM

God is Holy, Perfect, Good, and Unchanging in that Nature.

Man was Holy, Perfect, and Good.
Man had a Perfect Relationship with God.
Man could live forever.

But Man disobeyed God.
Man fell.
Man's relationship with God was torn.
Man's Sin caused Spiritual Death.
Man's Sin caused Physical Death.
Man's Sin caused a change in Nature.
Man is sinful, imperfect, and always changing.

Because God is Holy, Perfect, Good, then it bears to reason that He is also Just.

If He is Just, then whatever He judges is Just.
Sin, because it is not Holy, must be dealt with.
If He judges Sin, then Sin must be dealt with Justly.
Sin must therefore be destroyed.

Since Man is Sinful, then one of two things must happen:

Either Sin in Man must be destroyed.
Or Man must be destroyed.

God is Love.
God loves Man.

So God's preference is that He destroy Sin and not Man.
If God can make a way to accomplish this, He will.
Somehow, Sin must be paid for.

God, because He is Perfect, is the only One who can fix the problem of Sin in Man.
Therefore, God came in the form of a Man.
Jesus as the God-Man lived a Perfect Life in the Spirit of God.
Because He lived a Perfect Life, He would die a Perfect Death.
In His Death, He took the Sin of Man.
He was made Sin for Man.

Because He was Perfect in the Spirit, Sin could not hold him in Death.
So He rose from the Grave, for Sin and Death could not hold Him down.
He rose physically into a Perfect (Spiritual) Body, restored by the Spirit to Life.

In Christ, Man's Sin has been dealt with through His Blood.
In Christ, Man is a New Creation.
In Christ, Man is raised to New Life.
In Christ, Man will be raised into a Perfect (Spiritual) Body.
In Christ, Man can now have a perfect relationship with God in the Spirit.
In Christ, Man can live forever.
In Christ, all Nature is restored.

Quahom1 · 11-02-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

God is Holy, Perfect, Good, and Unchanging in that Nature.

Man was Holy, Perfect, and Good.
Man had a Perfect Relationship with God.
Man could live forever.

But Man disobeyed God.
Man fell.
Man's relationship with God was torn.
Man's Sin caused Spiritual Death.
Man's Sin caused Physical Death.
Man's Sin caused a change in Nature.
Man is sinful, imperfect, and always changing.

Because God is Holy, Perfect, Good, then it bears to reason that He is also Just.

If He is Just, then whatever He judges is Just.
Sin, because it is not Holy, must be dealt with.
If He judges Sin, then Sin must be dealt with Justly.
Sin must therefore be destroyed.

Since Man is Sinful, then one of two things must happen:

Either Sin in Man must be destroyed.
Or Man must be destroyed.

God is Love.
God loves Man.

So God's preference is that He destroy Sin and not Man.
If God can make a way to accomplish this, He will.
Somehow, Sin must be paid for.

God, because He is Perfect, is the only One who can fix the problem of Sin in Man.
Therefore, God came in the form of a Man.
Jesus as the God-Man lived a Perfect Life in the Spirit of God.
Because He lived a Perfect Life, He would die a Perfect Death.
In His Death, He took the Sin of Man.
He was made Sin for Man.

Because He was Perfect in the Spirit, Sin could not hold him in Death.
So He rose from the Grave, for Sin and Death could not hold Him down.
He rose physically into a Perfect (Spiritual) Body, restored by the Spirit to Life.

In Christ, Man's Sin has been dealt with through His Blood.
In Christ, Man is a New Creation.
In Christ, Man is raised to New Life.
In Christ, Man will be raised into a Perfect (Spiritual) Body.
In Christ, Man can now have a perfect relationship with God in the Spirit.
In Christ, Man can live forever.
In Christ, all Nature is restored.

Pretty much covers it.

wil · 11-02-2006, 10:59 PM

Is there a source for this or is this original?

Dondi · 11-03-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Is there a source for this or is this original?

This is my original presentation.

The subject matter source, of course, is ancient.

cavalier · 11-03-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

...Man was Holy, Perfect, and Good...
But Man disobeyed God.
Man fell.

Hmmm

Quahom1 · 11-03-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

Hmmm

What part causes you to go "hmmm"?

cavalier · 11-03-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

What part causes you to go "hmmm"?

Man was perfect
Man disobeyed

This is only possible if part of our perfection was to disobey

Quahom1 · 11-03-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

Man was perfect
Man disobeyed

This is only possible if part of our perfection was to disobey

How about the "potential" to disobey? Free will...was also given man.

v/r

Joshua

cavalier · 11-03-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

How about the "potential" to disobey? Free will...was also given man.

v/r

Joshua

Surely though, perfection does what it is supposed to do.
There could be potential for different courses of action, but each would apply to a particular circumstance.

Quahom1 · 11-03-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

Surely though, perfection does what it is supposed to do.
There could be potential for different courses of action, but each would apply to a particular circumstance.

Perfection is a state of being, or a state of existence (potential, not kinetic), yes?

Any action can lead to an imperfect state (kinetics in affect), the instant one thinks for themselves, and acts on those thoughts, if the actions and thoughts are contrary to the good keepings of the original design.

Another term might be "rogue" actions or behavior (deviating from the original plan). God, obviously instilled in man an element of uncertanty (for what reasons, only God knows, but I suspect it was because He did not want to be bored to death with a "robot").

my thoughts

v/r

Joshua

cavalier · 11-03-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Perfection is a state of being, or a state of existence (potential, not kinetic), yes?

Any action can lead to an imperfect state (kinetics in affect), the instant one thinks for themselves, and acts on those thoughts, if the actions and thoughts are contrary to the good keepings of the original design.

This would mean that it is possible for God to go astray.

Quahom1 · 11-03-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

This would mean that it is possible for God to go astray.

No, I think not Cav. Obvious that man can and did go astray though. God set the rules. Man acknowledged those rules (see Genesis), then blew the rules off. God carried out the consequences for man violating those rules.

God NEVER deterred from His original stipulations...man did.

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Joshua

cavalier · 11-03-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

No, I think not Cav. Obvious that man can and did go astray though. God set the rules. Man acknowledged those rules (see Genesis), then blew the rules off. God carried out the consequences for man violating those rules.

God NEVER deterred from His original stipulations...man did.

v/r

Joshua

No, I don't think so either, I was merely working off your logic. It was you who said that perfection could become imperfection. You can't have it one way for God, and another for man.
If man's perfection can become imperfection, then so can God's.

Quahom1 · 11-03-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

No, I don't think so either, I was merely working off your logic. It was you who said that perfection could become imperfection. You can't have it one way for God, and another for man.
If man's perfection can become imperfection, then so can God's.

So, if man's greatest wisdom is not even equivelent to God's lowest folly...does that make God a fool, or man?

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Joshua

cavalier · 11-03-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

So, if man's greatest wisdom is not even equivelent to God's lowest folly...does that make God a fool, or man?

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Joshua

Are you sidestepping?
Because you're not exactly answering my point.