5-yr olds caged - Page 2

17th Angel · 09-17-2007, 05:29 PM

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Better late than never 17th and certainly better late than after the fact. I would much rather be told a child had been abused for the past 5 years and be able to remove that child from the situation rather than wait until they were lying on a slab and have to listen to the whining excuses as to why the people that knew didn't say anything. I have to admit, it takes a great deal of strength not to lean over the table and knock their head off.

I always wanted to take the witnesses to the morgue and make them look at every bruise, every cut, every broken bone, make them touch the body, so they never had another nights decent sleep in their life. I know it would achieve nothing other than to alleviate my anger but it might make my dreams more peaceful?!

To make your dreams.... More peaceful, you'd need to make someone's a living hell/nightmare? Doesn't seem just lol...

Muslimwoman · 09-17-2007, 05:38 PM

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To make your dreams.... More peaceful, you'd need to make someone's a living hell/nightmare? Doesn't seem just lol...

Oh I didn't say it was just 17th, I accept it is purely selfish, to make me feel as though I had punished them in some way. They helped the childs life to be a living hell and their inactions made my nightmares, so why should they get off so lightly?

Patience, Allah will punish them if He see's fit.

17th Angel · 09-17-2007, 05:41 PM

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Oh I didn't say it was just 17th, I accept it is purely selfish, to make me feel as though I had punished them in some way. They helped the childs life to be a living hell and their inactions made my nightmares, so why should they get off so lightly?

Patience, Allah will punish them if He see's fit.

heh....

Leafblade · 09-18-2007, 12:20 AM

I really have to wonder, if the parent's aren't able to, or don't bother to take care of children, why not find someone who could? Destroying them by keeping them trapped in deplorable conditions like that, they might be better off in the care of another relative. I have heard so many stories of neglect it bothers me. Have they lost so much sense that they don't even weight this as a possiblity?

17th Angel · 09-18-2007, 10:31 AM

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I really have to wonder, if the parent's aren't able to, or don't bother to take care of children, why not find someone who could? Destroying them by keeping them trapped in deplorable conditions like that, they might be better off in the care of another relative. I have heard so many stories of neglect it bothers me. Have they lost so much sense that they don't even weight this as a possiblity?

Oh, looks! lolz! A fox spirits!!!

You heard of blind love eh?

Muslimwoman · 09-18-2007, 03:33 PM

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You heard of blind love eh?

Is that blind love 17th or just utter selfishness? You hear so often these days that people have children, then feel hey are 'in the way' or 'a burden'.

So I agree, if you decide you can't cope with your kids then find someone who can. Maybe people are too ashamed to admit they can't cope?

17th Angel · 09-18-2007, 03:50 PM

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Is that blind love 17th or just utter selfishness? You hear so often these days that people have children, then feel hey are 'in the way' or 'a burden'.

So I agree, if you decide you can't cope with your kids then find someone who can. Maybe people are too ashamed to admit they can't cope?

I feel it would be ashamed.... but also it is HARD to let go.... Say you got some rare exotic animal... You are not totally understanding of how to look after such a creature... But you seriously do love it. Now... someone has noticed you are looking after this beautiful creature wrongly and what you are doing will result in a fatal situation.... That willing to give it up... That must be soooooo freaking hard you love this animal so much, and indeed you have to realise that to love it that much you do have to realese it.... That takes some doing.... Am I making sense? Or is my theory nonsense?

Muslimwoman · 09-18-2007, 04:20 PM

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Am I making sense? Or is my theory nonsense?

Yes it makes a lot of sense and I imagine for these people they thought they were doing the best they could. For me it doesn't excuse the lack of action by the people that knew what was happening. Maybe this is a result of the idea that we all have to be perfect and failure means you are socially unacceptable?

17th Angel · 09-18-2007, 04:26 PM

It depends... Ask my I think everyone is perfect as they are lol.... I wouldn't say to mistreat a child/animal/something that is living lol..... Be it by accident as socially unacceptable... It is more on morale grounds than social? lol uhm.... Yea.... I think if it is intentional then yah! You be a social misfit!

Muslimwoman · 09-18-2007, 04:46 PM

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Yea.... I think if it is intentional then yah! You be a social misfit!

Maybe this is the problem then 17th, because society (myself included) makes people feel this way they think it is better to hide their problem in a cage rather than ask for help?

17th Angel · 09-18-2007, 04:49 PM

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Maybe this is the problem then 17th, because society (myself included) makes people feel this way they think it is better to hide their problem in a cage rather than ask for help?

0o0o0o00oh I SEE!!!!! Sorry.... Yeah, I guess not many people are willing to help are they? And those who will, will obviously give punishments for your past actions already, so yeah there is shame, confusion, fear and blind mistakes...... :\

Muslimwoman · 09-18-2007, 04:57 PM

Perhaps we all, as a society, need to accept that some people cannot cope with certain things and offer support and help, rather than villify. Maybe then these people or their friends/neighbours would have asked for help a long time ago?

If I knew this was happening in my neighbours house I would go for help but I would want help for the parents as well as the children, not just arrested and taken to court. There must be psycholocigal problems for them to see this as acceptable, no?

17th Angel · 09-18-2007, 05:08 PM

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Perhaps we all, as a society, need to accept that some people cannot cope with certain things and offer support and help

Compare that to abouuuuut 14 posts back...... There is a big difference

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If I knew this was happening in my neighbours house I would go for help but I would want help for the parents as well as the children, not just arrested and taken to court. There must be psycholocigal problems for them to see this as acceptable, no?

If you knew. I think to be fair, we have to say even though it is right there under our nose doesn't mean we always realise it... For example your next door neighbour could be an assassin/heroine dealer/serial killer, right under your nose, but you may not realise it.... lol.

I find it interesting you can go from in a sense "no mercy" to realising that perhaps these people need help.... And punishment isn't they key.... Education and help is... That's cool

wil · 09-18-2007, 05:14 PM

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I find it interesting you can go from in a sense "no mercy" to realising that perhaps these people need help.... And punishment isn't they key.... Education and help is... That's cool

It is all about compassion and education. At the Peace March last weekend we encountered numerous antiPeaceMarch protesters. Now when they were encountered with taunts and shouting (ie peace marchers not displaying nonviolent behaviour) it happily escalated. However when they were countered with love and compassion, and asked questions and got into serious discussion and contemplation, the energy diffused, we allowed ourselves to accept their points and they allowed themselves to see us in a different light.

14 posts, a millisecond, a breath, a decade, a lifetime...no telling how long it takes...

17th Angel · 09-18-2007, 05:19 PM

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It is all about compassion and education. At the Peace March last weekend we encountered numerous antiPeaceMarch protesters. Now when they were encountered with taunts and shouting (ie peace marchers not displaying nonviolent behaviour) it happily escalated. However when they were countered with love and compassion, and asked questions and got into serious discussion and contemplation, the energy diffused, we allowed ourselves to accept their points and they allowed themselves to see us in a different light.

Again, education... Communication... It brought two sides together... Without that communication there.... There is no resolve...

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14 posts, a millisecond, a breath, a decade, a lifetime...no telling how long it takes...

True.